13 Mar '08 21:58>1 edit
Let's say there is a 5th dimension to existence and you are suddenly pulled out of time/space ( 2+3 +4th dimension) and was able to look at time kinda sideways from your 5th dimension perspective.
Instead of seeing things in terms of looking "along" a timeline (like a tube or tunnel?) you would be looking at all of it simultaneously. From this angle imagine time looks like a 3d object does to us , so to speak.
Now , and this requires some thought , imagine that within the time you are looking at free will actually exists , now imagine that all choices are determined , now imagine free choices are possible again.
Ok , so what has changed? If free will exists then are you suddenly not going to able to see time from your 5th dimension? If hard determinism is true would you not still just see time as a series of events?
Is free will existing in time/space going to prevent you from knowing these events/choices? If someone in 2012 is making a free choice will your view of it be obscured somehow , or would the mere fact of being in a 5th dimension mean that it was not a problem for you?
I posit that if this were possible then the whole of time would just be laid out in front of you and if within it a free choice was being made it would still be just as visible to you as it would if it were determined. I see no reason to think that you would be prevented from knowing a free choice at any point along the timeline.
Therefore , theoretically a being who existed in a 5th dimension would be bound to know the outcome of any free choice in time . How could such a being not know ? Such a being could spend an eternity looking at it as well.
Let's say that in the timeline you are looking at an uncertain quantum event is occurring in 2023. You see the outcome of this event occuring the same as you are also watching the fall of Rome. You see the nanosecond just before the quantum event and you also see the outcome a nanosecond just after but you see these events NOT sequentially but simultaneously. You are not in time , but outside it in a 5th dimension remember. Now , does the fact that you know the future outcome of a quantum event prove that the event must have not been uncertain at all but actually pre determined and inevitable?
I don't think it can do because whatever the outcome was you were always bound to know it . You have no need in a 5th dimension for an event to be determined in order to know it's future , you would know the outcome of all uncertain quantum events. You could not NOT know.
Instead of seeing things in terms of looking "along" a timeline (like a tube or tunnel?) you would be looking at all of it simultaneously. From this angle imagine time looks like a 3d object does to us , so to speak.
Now , and this requires some thought , imagine that within the time you are looking at free will actually exists , now imagine that all choices are determined , now imagine free choices are possible again.
Ok , so what has changed? If free will exists then are you suddenly not going to able to see time from your 5th dimension? If hard determinism is true would you not still just see time as a series of events?
Is free will existing in time/space going to prevent you from knowing these events/choices? If someone in 2012 is making a free choice will your view of it be obscured somehow , or would the mere fact of being in a 5th dimension mean that it was not a problem for you?
I posit that if this were possible then the whole of time would just be laid out in front of you and if within it a free choice was being made it would still be just as visible to you as it would if it were determined. I see no reason to think that you would be prevented from knowing a free choice at any point along the timeline.
Therefore , theoretically a being who existed in a 5th dimension would be bound to know the outcome of any free choice in time . How could such a being not know ? Such a being could spend an eternity looking at it as well.
Let's say that in the timeline you are looking at an uncertain quantum event is occurring in 2023. You see the outcome of this event occuring the same as you are also watching the fall of Rome. You see the nanosecond just before the quantum event and you also see the outcome a nanosecond just after but you see these events NOT sequentially but simultaneously. You are not in time , but outside it in a 5th dimension remember. Now , does the fact that you know the future outcome of a quantum event prove that the event must have not been uncertain at all but actually pre determined and inevitable?
I don't think it can do because whatever the outcome was you were always bound to know it . You have no need in a 5th dimension for an event to be determined in order to know it's future , you would know the outcome of all uncertain quantum events. You could not NOT know.