Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Give me one concrete example of something that you started doubting without ever having made a decision that it is no longer believable.

No.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What in your mind constitutes 'actual evidence'?

For a scheme that involved torturing billions of people in angry revenge for not believing or not being able to believe? A: Something unequivocal and concrete, obviously, otherwise it just sounds like a daft invention of the human imagination.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I disagree that four different accounts form four different people is one source.

Of course you do.

Originally posted by FMF
For a scheme that involved torturing billions of people in angry revenge for not believing or not being able to believe? A: Something unequivocal and concrete, obviously, otherwise it just sounds like a daft invention of the human imagination.

Where exactly does the Bible say this will happen for not being able to believe? Aren't you the one assuming that people are not able to believe?

If God were to exist, should he allow Adolf Eichmann into Heaven?

Originally posted by FMF
No.

Of course you can't.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Of course you can't.

No, it's not that. As you well know, we had exactly this conversation on another recent thread. And you're simply pretending not to remember it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Where exactly does the Bible say this will happen for [b] not being able to believe? Aren't you the one assuming that people are not able to believe?

If God were to exist, should he allow Adolf Eichmann into Heaven?[/b]

I am talking about the fate of non-believers as stated by Christians here who at least have the guts to say what they believe about eternal torture and who they believe will experience that eternal torture. You on the other hand have chickened out of stating what you think happens to them. So I am lumping you in with the believers in the torturer God who believe that non-believers will be tortured for eternity. If you have the guts to unequivocally state what you think happens to them, it will then be possible to see if you are one of them or not one of them.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If God were to exist, should he allow Adolf Eichmann into Heaven?

I think there may well be a God and I also think we all die and get buried in the ground. Adolf Eichmann was caught and punished, so justice was served. I'd rather he'd died in goal than been executed. But those who loved and survived his victims saw him punished, at least.

Originally posted by FMF
No, it's not that. As you well know, we had exactly this conversation on another recent thread. And you're simply pretending not to remember it.

I remember exactly what was said on the other thread. On this thread you claimed that you believed something and then "doubt started to creep in". So all I asked was for you to give me one concrete example of something that you started doubting without ever having made a decision that it is no longer believable. You said no. So I have every right to believe that you can't give me one such example.

Originally posted by FMF
I am talking about the fate of non-believers as stated by Christians here who at least have the guts to say what they believe about eternal torture and who they believe will experience that eternal torture. You on the other hand have chickened out of stating what you think happens to them. So I am lumping you in with the believers in the torturer God who believe ...[text shortened]... hink happens to them, it will then be possible to see if you are one of them or not one of them.

I can't know for sure that people will be tortured in hell for all eternity. What I do know is that I sure as hell don't want to find out.

Originally posted by FMF
I think there may well be a God and I also think we all die and get buried in the ground. Adolf Eichmann was caught and punished, so justice was served. I'd rather he'd died in goal than been executed. But those who loved and survived his victims saw him punished, at least.

If you think there may well be a God based purely on a gut feeling, why do you judge people who think there is a God based on what the Bible says, if you can't know for sure that God hasn't revealed himself to anyone?

On what do you base the belief that God has not revealed himself to anyone? Also a gut feeling? What if your gut feeling is wrong?

If justice is anything more than a human made illusion, then no human being can satisfy justice for what Eichman has done.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I can't know for sure that people will be tortured in hell for all eternity. What I do know is that I sure as hell don't want to find out.

How can it possibly be a deterrent for non-believers? And if it isn't a deterrent, then what on earth is the purpose of such depraved and senseless violence?

Originally posted by FMF
How can it possibly be a deterrent for non-believers? And if it isn't a deterrent, then what on earth is the purpose of such depraved and senseless violence?

When you say that an act is 'depraved and senseless violence' you are proposing such an act to be 'evil'. When you say there is evil, aren’t you admitting there is good? When you accept the existence of goodness, you must affirm a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But when you admit to a moral law, you must posit a moral lawgiver. If God exists, he will be that lawgiver. So essentially your argument is self defeating.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When you say that an act is 'depraved and senseless violence' you are proposing such an act to be 'evil'. When you say there is evil, aren’t you admitting there is good? When you accept the existence of goodness, you must affirm a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But when you admit to a moral law, you must posit a m ...[text shortened]... wgiver. If God exists, he will be that lawgiver. So essentially your argument is self defeating.

Eternal torture is a figment of human imagination. Not recognizing it as being the most evil notion ever dreamt up by humans suggests to me that subscribers to it cannot have a credible moral compass. Fortunately, it's not real. So it's all rather-angels-dancing on-the-head of a pin-esque.