Your stories, escape from clutches of religion

Originally posted by RBHILL
Giving my life to Christ help me escape from religions that had rules to earn salvation. When you can have a relationship with the Lord. Rev. 3:20 and know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13.

You still have rules.

The rule now is that you must have a relationship with Jesus.

Originally posted by howardgee
You still have rules.

The rule now is that you must have a relationship with Jesus.

It is not a rule it is a chose a free will. Free will is not a rule it is a choses.

Originally posted by RBHILL
It is not a rule it is a chose a free will. Free will is not a rule it is a choses.

When the only other option is hellfire for eternity, it ain't a choice...it's coercion.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
When the only other option is hellfire for eternity, it ain't a choice...it's coercion.

Hallefrickenlooya!
(Comment from the cheap seats)

How did I escape from religion...Maybe the excessively boring Good News translation I had...or the excruciating tedium of church...I'm a seeking type of person and I soon reached the conclusion that organised religion is not for me. Plus I can't bring myself to believe that One religion is Right. The religious teachings that make the most sense indicate that religion is superfluous, sentiment aside.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Amen to that! I was a student in the Lutheran school and all the
kids there saw through the hype of it all. Kids are pretty good
judges of BS.

Kids are pretty good judges of BS.

Only when it is cartoons.

Originally posted by trevor33
I was using your quote to show that all the people who are pro-religion are idiots

Nice universal statement. Do you think Isaac Newton was an idiot?

Originally posted by Halitose
Nice universal statement. Do you think Isaac Newton was an idiot?

I believe times were quite quite different then than now. You and I both know that. It is unfair to judge people who lived in different times and under different conditions using todays standards.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
I believe times were quite quite different then than now. You and I both know that. It is unfair to judge people who lived in different times and under different conditions using todays standards.

So you are in agreement with trever's universal [i]ad hominem[/b]?

Originally posted by Halitose
Nice universal statement. Do you think Isaac Newton was an idiot?

Perhaps in some respects he was:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/22/newt22.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/02/22/ixnewstop.html

We'll all know when 2060 rolls up...

Originally posted by Halitose
So you are in agreement with trever's universal [i]ad hominem?[/b]

Nope, I don;t believe all people who are religious are idiots. I just think that your choice of rebutal was not very good. Maybe had you used someone more contemporary, like Einstein, who could be judged more fairly by todays standards.

I think people believe in religion for many reasons, for some it is a prop when they need help, for some they were indocternated as children, others find it for different reasons. To say that a person is stupid simply because they believe in religion, is, in itself, stupid. Look at the number of things that we believe in every day with little real proof. We believe the moon orbits the earth and the earth the sun, and that other planets exist and that it really is your last doughnut before you start that diet...

Saying all that though, I don;t believe in religion of any type.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Nope, I don;t believe all people who are religious are idiots. I just think that your choice of rebutal was not very good. Maybe had you used someone more contemporary, like Einstein, who could be judged more fairly by todays standards.

I think people believe in religion for many reasons, for some it is a prop when they need help, for some they w ...[text shortened]... efore you start that diet...

Saying all that though, I don;t believe in religion of any type.

Fine then. You're welcome to believe/not believe in anything you like; just because one believes in the [scientifically] unprovable, does not detract from one's intelligence - its a matter of worldview.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Perhaps in some respects he was:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/22/newt22.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/02/22/ixnewstop.html

We'll all know when 2060 rolls up...

Hmmm... here's to 2060.

Originally posted by Halitose
Hmmm... here's to 2060.

Was Newton's apparent apocalyptic obsession news to you at all?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
I believe times were quite quite different then than now. You and I both know that. It is unfair to judge people who lived in different times and under different conditions using todays standards.

In what way are today's standards of idiocy different from the past?