1. Subscribersonhouse
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    06 Dec '05 15:32
    Just wanted to hear other people's stories of how they escaped
    from the clutches of religion, any religion they escaped from.
    I myself was fortunate to have grandmother, pentacostal, telling me
    when I was 8 when I was in a Lutheran school, if I wasn't baptized
    in the pentacostal way (whole body dunking), I would be damned to
    hell because I was only tinkled with water in the Catholic/Lutheran
    tradition. That alone told me the whole system was crazy and
    I sincerely thanked my grandmother for showing me the light.
  2. Standard memberKellyJay
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    06 Dec '05 15:35
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Just wanted to hear other people's stories of how they escaped
    from the clutches of religion, any religion they escaped from.
    I myself was fortunate to have grandmother, pentacostal, telling me
    when I was 8 when I was in a Lutheran school, if I wasn't baptized
    in the pentacostal way (whole body dunking), I would be damned to
    hell because I was only ...[text shortened]... me the whole system was crazy and
    I sincerely thanked my grandmother for showing me the light.
    What light did she show you, that people will nit pick at anything?
    You think that means that all other stuff she thought was truth had
    to be false then?
    Kelly
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    06 Dec '05 15:45
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What light did she show you, that people will nit pick at anything?
    You think that means that all other stuff she thought was truth had
    to be false then?
    Kelly
    In a word, short version: Yes.
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    06 Dec '05 15:48
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Just wanted to hear other people's stories of how they escaped
    from the clutches of religion, any religion they escaped from.
    I myself was fortunate to have grandmother, pentacostal, telling me
    when I was 8 when I was in a Lutheran school, if I wasn't baptized
    in the pentacostal way (whole body dunking), I would be damned to
    hell because I was only ...[text shortened]... me the whole system was crazy and
    I sincerely thanked my grandmother for showing me the light.
    My Mother is a Pentecostal Christian and she is a very level-headed and loving woman. I saw some real crazies go in and out of that church when I was young but the majority of the people there were normal people like you and I (the whole speaking in tongues thing aside, LOL).

    And even though I have such a religious mother, I was able to use my own critical thinking and life experiences to decide that Christianity was not for me.
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    06 Dec '05 15:48
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    In a word, short version: Yes.
    You think that wise do you? Do you hold yourself and all others to
    the same standards?
    Kelly
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    06 Dec '05 15:51
    When I was a kid, a very nice Catholic woman told me that although I was welcome to be friends with her son, I would never get to Heaven unless I became a Catholic. Not to worry, she told me, if I didn't convert there was another place for me, not Hell, but like a suburb of Heaven, I think she meant Purgatory.
    It struck me then that the whole thing was just a made-up story.
    Thank you Catholic lady.
    🙂
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    06 Dec '05 15:52
    Originally posted by darvlay
    My Mother is a Pentecostal Christian and she is a very level-headed and loving woman. I saw some real crazies go in and out of that church when I was young but the majority of the people there were normal people like you and I (the whole speaking in tongues thing aside, LOL).

    And even though I have such a religious mother, I was able to use my own critical thinking and life experiences to decide that Christianity was not for me.
    Making a choice that Christianity isn't for you is not the same thing
    as thinking all of it is bad because of someone's view about how
    much water one should be baptized with.
    Kelly
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    06 Dec '05 15:53
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    You think that wise do you? Do you hold yourself and all others to
    the same standards?
    Kelly
    I just took a morality test that revealed my particular quadrant was
    "Subjectivist" meaning I take each case as it comes, I don't make
    rules that apply to everyone. Interesting test.
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    06 Dec '05 15:561 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Making a choice that Christianity isn't for you is not the same thing
    as thinking all of it is bad because of someone's view about how
    much water one should be baptized with.
    Kelly
    I thought it was obvious that I was trying to show sonhouse that not all Pentecostals are morons like his Grandmother. Perhaps I'll try and be less subtle next time...
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    06 Dec '05 15:59
    Originally posted by darvlay
    My Mother is a Pentecostal Christian and she is a very level-headed and loving woman. I saw some real crazies go in and out of that church when I was young but the majority of the people there were normal people like you and I (the whole speaking in tongues thing aside, LOL).

    And even though I have such a religious mother, I was able to use my own critical thinking and life experiences to decide that Christianity was not for me.
    Lol! I did have some experience with the speaking in tongue thing.
    Saw it happen at our local pentacostal church, I think I was maybe 9.
    Decades later I brought up the subject with aforementioned
    grandmother, I said yeah, they were rolling in the Isles, frothing at
    the mouth, speaking in tongues. She held herself up to her full
    height, full of dignity, and said "They were NOT frothing at the mouth".
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    06 Dec '05 16:01
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I just took a morality test that revealed my particular quadrant was
    "Subjectivist" meaning I take each case as it comes, I don't make
    rules that apply to everyone. Interesting test.
    If I understood your first point, you rejected everything on the basis
    of how much water she thought was proper to be used. Now, if you
    apply the same type of standard to everyone, one error made by
    someone within science, than all of sciece must be rejected, because
    well....hey ....
    People screw up, make errors get dumb things stuck in their brains
    and so on. That does not mean that everything besides that dumb
    error or stupid thing needs to be pitched.
    Kelly
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    06 Dec '05 16:02
    Some of you are very easily convinced, ....... 😛
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    06 Dec '05 16:05
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Some of you are very easily convinced, ....... 😛
    How's the view up there, ivanhoe?
  14. Subscribersonhouse
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    06 Dec '05 16:05
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    If I understood your first point, you rejected everything on the basis
    of how much water she thought was proper to be used. Now, if you
    apply the same type of standard to everyone, one error made by
    someone within science, than all of sciece must be rejected, because
    well....hey ....
    People screw up, make errors get dumb things stuck in their brains
    a ...[text shortened]... es not mean that everything besides that dumb
    error or stupid thing needs to be pitched.
    Kelly
    Heck, if that was the only fault I found with religion, I would
    be on a pulpit fighting for it. That wasn't the straw that broke the
    camel's back by any means. That incident just showed me you can't
    take people at face value and have since found so much wrong with
    religion/s I would give anything for the human race to mature
    itself out of the need for such crutches.
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    06 Dec '05 16:06
    Originally posted by darvlay
    How's the view up there, ivanhoe?
    Better than yours, Darv. 😉
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