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  1. 15 Apr '09 17:32
    Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.

    Any objections?

    1st Team:

    C Josh Gibson
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Honus Wagner
    3B George Brett
    RF George Herman Ruth
    CF Ty Cobb
    LF Ted Williams
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Bob Feller
    P Bob Gibson
    P Walter Johnson
    P Cy Young
    Mgr Connie Mack


    2nd Team:

    C Yogi Berra
    1B Jimmie Foxx
    2B Jackie Robinson
    SS Cal Ripken Jr.
    3B Mike Schmidt
    RF Henry Aaron
    CF Joe DiMaggio
    LF Stan Musial
    P Christy Mathewson
    P Satchell Paige
    P Whitey Ford
    P Steve Carlton
    P Nolan Ryan
    Mgr Casey Stengel
  2. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    15 Apr '09 17:43
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.

    Any objections?

    1st Team:

    C Josh Gibson
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Honus Wagner
    3B George Brett
    RF George Herman Ruth
    CF Ty Cobb
    LF Ted Williams
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Bob Feller
    P Bob Gibson
    P Walter Johnson
    P Cy Young
    Mgr Connie Mack


    2nd Team:

    C Yogi Berr ...[text shortened]... ty Mathewson
    P Satchell Paige
    P Whitey Ford
    P Steve Carlton
    P Nolan Ryan
    Mgr Casey Stengel
    Put Paul Molitor as the DH
  3. Standard member Traveling Again
    I'm 1/4 Ninja
    15 Apr '09 18:19
    No arguments with your list. I'd make a couple changes though:

    C Johnny Bench
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Ozzie Smith
    3B Mike Schmidt
    RF Babe Ruth
    CF Willie Mays
    LF Ted Williams
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Steve Carlton
    P Tom Seaver
    P Walter Johnson
    P Cy Young
    Mgr (does it matter? )
  4. 15 Apr '09 19:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Traveling Again
    No arguments with your list. I'd make a couple changes though:

    C Johnny Bench
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Ozzie Smith
    3B Mike Schmidt
    RF Babe Ruth
    CF Willie Mays
    LF Ted Williams
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Steve Carlton
    P Tom Seaver
    P Walter Johnson
    P Cy Young
    Mgr (does it matter? )
    Picking the OF was difficult.

    Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
  5. Standard member Traveling Again
    I'm 1/4 Ninja
    15 Apr '09 21:12
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Picking the OF was difficult.

    Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
    Upton's catch was great. My favorites in recent memory were Edmonds' diving over his head for
    a ball when he was with the Angels and Matthews, Jr. a couple years ago robbing a homerun. I'll
    try to find video.

    To me, the most spectacular part of the famous Mays catch is how far he had to run to get it. It
    was in the old Polo Grounds where center field was over 450ft away from the plate. it would be
    the equivalent to running up most of the center field bleachers in stadiums today.
  6. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    15 Apr '09 21:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Picking the OF was difficult.

    Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
    A couple years ago a white guy..Edmunds maybe? went straight back, dove head first and caught the ball over his shoulder just before he hit the wall.

    Best catch i've seen. Might have been a playoff game...NL i think.


    I give Gary Matthews Jr. Top billing also...


    http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=best%20baseball%20catch&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=best+baseball+catch&hl=en&emb=1
  7. 15 Apr '09 21:18
    The Edmonds catch for sure was great.

    Not sure about this catch though:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xqfAbcElLMQ/SCvF91eAa2I/AAAAAAAAAHU/oMs2KvKhTGM/s1600-h/edmonds+nut+grab.jpg
  8. Standard member Traveling Again
    I'm 1/4 Ninja
    15 Apr '09 22:10
    The Edmonds catch I'm thinking of is about 30 seconds in on this video clip:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200808163318720

    After watching that one and Matthews Jr.'s again, I think I'll pick Matthews Jr.'s:
    http://tubearoo.com/articles/56573/MLB_Garry_Matthews_Jr_Amazing_Catch.html
  9. Standard member Traveling Again
    I'm 1/4 Ninja
    15 Apr '09 22:13
    Originally posted by darvlay
    The Edmonds catch for sure was great.

    Not sure about this catch though:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xqfAbcElLMQ/SCvF91eAa2I/AAAAAAAAAHU/oMs2KvKhTGM/s1600-h/edmonds+nut+grab.jpg
    That was a big catch, too.
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    The Energizer
    15 Apr '09 23:51 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.

    Any objections?

    1st Team:

    C Josh Gibson
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Honus Wagner
    3B George Brett
    RF George Herman Ruth
    CF Ty Cobb
    LF Ted Williams
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Bob Feller
    P Bob Gibson
    P Walter Johnson
    P Cy Young
    Mgr Connie Mack


    2nd Team:

    C Yogi Berr ...[text shortened]... ty Mathewson
    P Satchell Paige
    P Whitey Ford
    P Steve Carlton
    P Nolan Ryan
    Mgr Casey Stengel
    Some of my picks will raise some eyebrows.

    First team

    C Johnny Bench - hands down the best for offense & defense
    1B Lou Gehrig
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Cal Ripken, Jr. - Ironman, best offense & solid defense
    3B Mike SChmidt - Great power & defense
    LF Ted Williams
    CF Joe DiMaggio
    Rf Hank Aaron - Better hitter, more power and better defense
    P Tom Seaver
    P Steve Carlton
    P Bob Gibson
    P Sandy Koufax
    P Cy Young
    Mgr Connie Mack

    Second Team

    C Yogi Berra
    1B Jimmie Foxx
    2B Joe Morgan - More power than Jackie Robinson with same speed & defense
    SS Ernie Banks - Tough choice here, but more power than Wagner
    3B Brooks Robinson - Tough choice here over Brett
    LF Micky Mantle - Position switch, but he could handle it
    CF Willie Mays
    RF Babe Ruth
    P Whitey Ford
    P Warren Spahn
    P Bob Feller
    P Dizzy Dean
    P Christy Mathewson
    Mgr - Tony LaRussa - I know this will get laughs, but he seems to get more out of nothing than anyone I ever saw. Casey Stengel is the obvious choice, but hell, with the talent he had, he should have won everything in sight.
  11. 16 Apr '09 14:01 / 4 edits
    So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?

    Very provocative!

    Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
  12. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    16 Apr '09 14:56
    Originally posted by darvlay
    So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?

    Very provocative!

    Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
    Who is the best pitcher since in the last 25 years? 1984-present.
  13. 16 Apr '09 14:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by uzless
    Who is the best pitcher since in the last 25 years? 1984-present.
    One of these 6:

    Randy Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Roger Clemens
    Pedro Martinez
    Tom Glavine
    John Smoltz

    In ten years, this list will include Roy Halladay and Johan Santana.
  14. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    16 Apr '09 17:49
    Originally posted by darvlay
    One of these 6:

    Randy Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Roger Clemens
    Pedro Martinez
    Tom Glavine
    John Smoltz

    In ten years, this list will include Roy Halladay and Johan Santana.
    Having played with Clemens and seeing first hand what he was capable of, my first inclination would be to say Clemens. However, if you want to choose the pitcher who was the most consistent money pitcher since 1984, I would say hands down it would have to be Greg Maddux. He didn't have the best stuff, he didn't have the best velocity, he wasn't a huge strikeout king. But, he was a clinician at picking apart the plate, setting up hitters, and got more respect from umpires than he should have. If you ever go back and watch Maddux's games you will see something amazing that reurs over and over again. In the first inning he was painting the black. In the second inning he was slightly outside the black and still getting the called strikes. By the seventh inning, his pitches were six inches off the plate and he was still getting the called strikes. He was named the "little Professor" for a very good reason. He was atrue artist on the mound. He will also be a first ballot HOF inductee in 5 years.

    Tom Glavine learned to pitch the same way and he would also get the respect Maddux did, although, he never had the consistency that Maddux did.
  15. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    16 Apr '09 17:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by darvlay
    So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?

    Very provocative!

    Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
    Warren Spahn also deserves more respect than he gets. There is also Carl Hubbell who was very stout as well. I did note that I omitted Walter Johnson, but i did so at the expense of Chrity Mathewson, who I believe was a better pitcher. You will note that I also omitted Nolan Ryan. My reasoning on Ryan was that for the bulk of his career he was a flame thrower but not a greta pitcher. Once he got to the national League for his second stint, he became a pitcher. He harnessed his control and started to mix his pitches more effectively. But, the guys I chose were great money pitchers. Greg Maddux would actually work his way onto the list once he makes the HOF, probably at the expense of Dizzy Dean.

    Regarding the omission of Ty Cobb, I feel DiMaggio, Mays & Mantle were all better ballplayers. Duke Snider may have been as well, but I could go either way. That, plus the fact that Cobb was such a rotten SOB, I just couldn't see him on the team.