15 Apr 09
Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.
Any objections?
1st Team:
C Josh Gibson
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Honus Wagner
3B George Brett
RF George Herman Ruth
CF Ty Cobb
LF Ted Williams
P Sandy Koufax
P Bob Feller
P Bob Gibson
P Walter Johnson
P Cy Young
Mgr Connie Mack
2nd Team:
C Yogi Berra
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Jackie Robinson
SS Cal Ripken Jr.
3B Mike Schmidt
RF Henry Aaron
CF Joe DiMaggio
LF Stan Musial
P Christy Mathewson
P Satchell Paige
P Whitey Ford
P Steve Carlton
P Nolan Ryan
Mgr Casey Stengel
15 Apr 09
Originally posted by darvlayPut Paul Molitor as the DH
Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.
Any objections?
1st Team:
C Josh Gibson
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Honus Wagner
3B George Brett
RF George Herman Ruth
CF Ty Cobb
LF Ted Williams
P Sandy Koufax
P Bob Feller
P Bob Gibson
P Walter Johnson
P Cy Young
Mgr Connie Mack
2nd Team:
C Yogi Berr ...[text shortened]... ty Mathewson
P Satchell Paige
P Whitey Ford
P Steve Carlton
P Nolan Ryan
Mgr Casey Stengel
15 Apr 09
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Originally posted by Traveling AgainPicking the OF was difficult.
No arguments with your list. I'd make a couple changes though:
C Johnny Bench
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Ozzie Smith
3B Mike Schmidt
RF Babe Ruth
CF Willie Mays
LF Ted Williams
P Sandy Koufax
P Steve Carlton
P Tom Seaver
P Walter Johnson
P Cy Young
Mgr (does it matter? 😉 )
Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
15 Apr 09
Originally posted by darvlayUpton's catch was great. My favorites in recent memory were Edmonds' diving over his head for
Picking the OF was difficult.
Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
a ball when he was with the Angels and Matthews, Jr. a couple years ago robbing a homerun. I'll
try to find video.
To me, the most spectacular part of the famous Mays catch is how far he had to run to get it. It
was in the old Polo Grounds where center field was over 450ft away from the plate. it would be
the equivalent to running up most of the center field bleachers in stadiums today.
15 Apr 09
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Originally posted by darvlayA couple years ago a white guy..Edmunds maybe? went straight back, dove head first and caught the ball over his shoulder just before he hit the wall.
Picking the OF was difficult.
Speaking of Mays. I don't know if anyone saw BJ Upton's catch in the outfield a couple days ago but it blew Willie's famous catch out of the water (besides the fact that Willie's catch was at a crucial point in the World Series).
Best catch i've seen. Might have been a playoff game...NL i think.
I give Gary Matthews Jr. Top billing also...
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=best%20baseball%20catch&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=best+baseball+catch&hl=en&emb=1
15 Apr 09
The Edmonds catch I'm thinking of is about 30 seconds in on this video clip:
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200808163318720
After watching that one and Matthews Jr.'s again, I think I'll pick Matthews Jr.'s:
http://tubearoo.com/articles/56573/MLB_Garry_Matthews_Jr_Amazing_Catch.html
15 Apr 09
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Originally posted by darvlaySome of my picks will raise some eyebrows.
Here's my 1st and 2nd All-Time teams comprised of only Hall of Famers.
Any objections?
1st Team:
C Josh Gibson
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Honus Wagner
3B George Brett
RF George Herman Ruth
CF Ty Cobb
LF Ted Williams
P Sandy Koufax
P Bob Feller
P Bob Gibson
P Walter Johnson
P Cy Young
Mgr Connie Mack
2nd Team:
C Yogi Berr ...[text shortened]... ty Mathewson
P Satchell Paige
P Whitey Ford
P Steve Carlton
P Nolan Ryan
Mgr Casey Stengel
First team
C Johnny Bench - hands down the best for offense & defense
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Cal Ripken, Jr. - Ironman, best offense & solid defense
3B Mike SChmidt - Great power & defense
LF Ted Williams
CF Joe DiMaggio
Rf Hank Aaron - Better hitter, more power and better defense
P Tom Seaver
P Steve Carlton
P Bob Gibson
P Sandy Koufax
P Cy Young
Mgr Connie Mack
Second Team
C Yogi Berra
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Joe Morgan - More power than Jackie Robinson with same speed & defense
SS Ernie Banks - Tough choice here, but more power than Wagner
3B Brooks Robinson - Tough choice here over Brett
LF Micky Mantle - Position switch, but he could handle it 😉
CF Willie Mays
RF Babe Ruth
P Whitey Ford
P Warren Spahn
P Bob Feller
P Dizzy Dean
P Christy Mathewson
Mgr - Tony LaRussa - I know this will get laughs, but he seems to get more out of nothing than anyone I ever saw. Casey Stengel is the obvious choice, but hell, with the talent he had, he should have won everything in sight.
16 Apr 09
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So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?
Very provocative!
Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
16 Apr 09
Originally posted by darvlayWho is the best pitcher since in the last 25 years? 1984-present.
So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?
Very provocative!
Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
16 Apr 09
Originally posted by darvlayHaving played with Clemens and seeing first hand what he was capable of, my first inclination would be to say Clemens. However, if you want to choose the pitcher who was the most consistent money pitcher since 1984, I would say hands down it would have to be Greg Maddux. He didn't have the best stuff, he didn't have the best velocity, he wasn't a huge strikeout king. But, he was a clinician at picking apart the plate, setting up hitters, and got more respect from umpires than he should have. If you ever go back and watch Maddux's games you will see something amazing that reurs over and over again. In the first inning he was painting the black. In the second inning he was slightly outside the black and still getting the called strikes. By the seventh inning, his pitches were six inches off the plate and he was still getting the called strikes. He was named the "little Professor" for a very good reason. He was atrue artist on the mound. He will also be a first ballot HOF inductee in 5 years.
One of these 6:
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux
Roger Clemens
Pedro Martinez
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
In ten years, this list will include Roy Halladay and Johan Santana.
Tom Glavine learned to pitch the same way and he would also get the respect Maddux did, although, he never had the consistency that Maddux did.
16 Apr 09
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Originally posted by darvlayWarren Spahn also deserves more respect than he gets. There is also Carl Hubbell who was very stout as well. I did note that I omitted Walter Johnson, but i did so at the expense of Chrity Mathewson, who I believe was a better pitcher. You will note that I also omitted Nolan Ryan. My reasoning on Ryan was that for the bulk of his career he was a flame thrower but not a greta pitcher. Once he got to the national League for his second stint, he became a pitcher. He harnessed his control and started to mix his pitches more effectively. But, the guys I chose were great money pitchers. Greg Maddux would actually work his way onto the list once he makes the HOF, probably at the expense of Dizzy Dean.
So, no Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson?
Very provocative!
Also, I think Feller deserves more respect. Perhaps if he had played for those four years during his prime instead of serving in the war, he may have been considered the greatest pitcher of all-time. We'll never know though!
Regarding the omission of Ty Cobb, I feel DiMaggio, Mays & Mantle were all better ballplayers. Duke Snider may have been as well, but I could go either way. That, plus the fact that Cobb was such a rotten SOB, I just couldn't see him on the team.