- 03 Oct '12 22:52The A's are hammering the Rangers and seem to be on their way to an improbable come from behind run to win the AL West. According to USAToday, they have the second smallest payroll in baseball.http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team

In fact there seems little correlation this year between player salaries and team performance. 5 playoff teams were in the top 9 in salary, but 5 others were in the bottom half of player salary spent. Overall, the average playoff team was 13th in average salary.

whodey's Theorem seems to have had a rough 2012. - 04 Oct '12 00:48 / 3 edits

If you look at the list of teams that made the playoffs, 5 of the 10 teams were in the*Originally posted by no1marauder***The A's are hammering the Rangers and seem to be on their way to an improbable come from behind run to win the AL West. According to USAToday, they have the second smallest payroll in baseball.http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team**

In fact there seems little correlation this year between player salaries and team per ...[text shortened]... eam was 13th in average salary.

whodey's Theorem seems to have had a rough 2012.

bottom half of the salary structure, and 5 from the top half. There is actually an

interesting spreads here.

Ranking the playoff teams by salary with 1 being the lowest salary and 30 being the highest,

you produce the following:

2 Oakland

11 Washington

12 Baltimore

14 Cincinnati

15 Atlanta

22 St. Louis

23 San Francisco

25 Texas

26 Detroit

30 NY Yankees

Yes, it does appear that money can't buy you the playoffs.

EDIT

Also notice there is a 65 million dollar gap between the Yankees and the Tigers, while there is only a 77 million dollar gap between the Tigers and the A's.

This produces a median of 126 million dollars that has only the Yankees and Tigers above

the median. - 04 Oct '12 02:04

"That has only the Yankees and Tigers above the median."*Originally posted by shortcircuit***If you look at the list of teams that made the playoffs, 5 of the 10 teams were in the**

bottom half of the salary structure, and 5 from the top half. There is actually an

interesting spreads here.

Ranking the playoff teams by salary with 1 being the lowest salary and 30 being the highest,

you produce the following:

2 Oakland

11 Washington

12 ...[text shortened]... duces a median of 126 million dollars that has only the Yankees and Tigers above

the median.

This little facet would support whodey's theory.

I don't think anybody can deny that the amount of money spent correlates with the probability of making it to the playoffs. You may not see that when looking at one season but I wonder what the statistics are from the last 25 years? I also wonder what the correlation is between the salary of the coaching staff and the probability of making the playoffs. - 04 Oct '12 02:36

No, whodey's theory said the bulk of the playoff teams would be in the top half of the*Originally posted by tomtom232***"That has only the Yankees and Tigers above the median."**

This little facet would support whodey's theory.

I don't think anybody can deny that the amount of money spent correlates with the probability of making it to the playoffs. You may not see that when looking at one season but I wonder what the statistics are from the last 25 years? I also wonder ...[text shortened]... tion is between the salary of the coaching staff and the probability of making the playoffs.

top team salaries, and here we have only 2 out of 10 and one of those two was barely

above the median.

This blows whodey's theory out of the water.

He expected Boston, Philadelphia, NY Yankees, LA Angels, LA Dodgers to make it.

Only one did. - 22 Oct '12 15:27

One season proves nothing. Look at the last several years and you'll see how the odds improve if you are a high salary team.*Originally posted by shortcircuit***No, whodey's theory said the bulk of the playoff teams would be in the top half of the**

top team salaries, and here we have only 2 out of 10 and one of those two was barely

above the median.

This blows whodey's theory out of the water.

He expected Boston, Philadelphia, NY Yankees, LA Angels, LA Dodgers to make it.

Only one did.

There have been threads in the past where i've broken it down by salary and teams making the playoffs.

It's overwhelmingly in support of high salary teams making the playoffs.

Geez!! - 22 Oct '12 15:58 / 3 editsNo. Team Payroll

1.**New York Yankees $197,962,289**

2. Philadelphia Phillies $174,538,938

3. Boston Red Sox $173,186,617

4. Los Angeles Angels $154,485,166

5.**Detroit Tigers $132,300,000**

6.**Texas Rangers $120,510,974**

7. Miami Marlins $118,078,000

8.**San Francisco Giants $117,620,683**

9.**St. Louis Cardinals $110,300,862**

10. Milwaukee Brewers $97,653,944

11. Chicago White Sox $96,919,500

12. Los Angeles Dodgers $95,143,575

13. Minnesota Twins $94,085,000

14. New York Mets $93,353,983

15. Chicago Cubs $88,197,033

16.**Atlanta Braves $83,309,942**

17.**Cincinnati Reds $83,309,942**

18. Seattle Mariners $81,978,100

19.**Baltimore Orioles $81,428,999**

20.**Washington Nationals $81,336,143**

21. Cleveland Indians $78,430,300

22. Colorado Rockies $78,069,571

23. Toronto Blue Jays $75,489,200

24. Arizona Diamondback$74,284,833

25. Tampa Bay Rays $64,173,500

26. Pittsburgh Pirates $63,431,999

27. Kansas City Royals $60,916,225

28. Houston Astros $60,651,000

29.**Oakland Athletics $55,372,500**

30. San Diego Padres $55,244,700 - 22 Oct '12 16:05 / 1 editSimple math, even one that you guys can understand.

5 of the top 9 salary teams made the playoffs.

**In other words, if you are in the top 9 you have better than a 50% chance of getting into the playoffs.**

5 of the remaining 21 teams made the playoffs.

**In other words if you are not in the top 9, you have less than a 25% chance of making the playoffs.**

And if you are in the bottom 10 of salaries, you have a 10% chance of making the playoffs.

I'm always amazed at how people can look at stats and not understand them.

- 22 Oct '12 17:17 / 2 edits

That's nice cherry picking. One can also say that 5 of the top 15 in salary made the playoffs as did 5 in the bottom 15 according to the figures given.*Originally posted by uzless***Simple math, even one that you guys can understand.**

5 of the top 9 salary teams made the playoffs.

[b]In other words, if you are in the top 9 you have better than a 50% chance of getting into the playoffs.

5 of the remaining 21 teams made the playoffs.

[/b]In other words if you are not in the top 9, you have less than a 25% chance of making th ...[text shortened]... e playoffs.

I'm always amazed at how people can look at stats and not understand them.

[/b]

Can you understand that? That's "simple math", too.

I don't think anyone has claimed that there is no relationship between average salary and performance and it would be counterintutive if it were otherwise. Nonetheless, there is enough variance in performance to say that salary is hardly a determinative factor in baseball. - 22 Oct '12 18:42

The next to lowest payroll made the playoffs*Originally posted by uzless***Simple math, even one that you guys can understand.**

5 of the top 9 salary teams made the playoffs.

[b]In other words, if you are in the top 9 you have better than a 50% chance of getting into the playoffs.

5 of the remaining 21 teams made the playoffs.

**In other words if you are not in the top 9, you have less than a 25% chance of making the ...[text shortened]... e playoffs.**

I'm always amazed at how people can look at stats and not understand them.

three of the botton 12 made it

5 of the bottom 15 made it

5 of the top 15 made it.

If you take simple math and say, take ANY salary and you have a 50% chance of

making the playoffs.

I am amazed at how many ways you can skew statistics and make a valid argument. - 23 Oct '12 03:26

Can you also understand that the more money you pay out the greater chance that you will have a winning season, thus positioning you to make the playoffs?*Originally posted by no1marauder***That's nice cherry picking. One can also say that 5 of the top 15 in salary made the playoffs as did 5 in the bottom 15 according to the figures given.**

Can you understand that? That's "simple math", too.

I don't think anyone has claimed that there is no relationship between average salary and performance and it would be counte ...[text shortened]... gh variance in performance to say that salary is hardly a determinative factor in baseball.

Thank God for the token small market teams that make the playoffs. It helps ease the big market guilt I suppose. - 23 Oct '12 22:42

How in the world did they manage to do it??*Originally posted by whodey***The last time a low market team won a world series was in 2003. How is that for cherry picking? LOL.**

MLB is for tards.

Did they cheat?

Did they not realize they were treading on sacred ground?

The fact that it can happen at all hammers your theory. - 26 Oct '12 21:32 / 1 edit

Ok five of the top ten made it, four from the middle ten and one from the bottom ten.... there is definitely a correlation here which is probably amplified over the course of a decade.*Originally posted by no1marauder***That's nice cherry picking. One can also say that 5 of the top 15 in salary made the playoffs as did 5 in the bottom 15 according to the figures given.**

Can you understand that? That's "simple math", too.

I don't think anyone has claimed that there is no relationship between average salary and performance and it would be counte ...[text shortened]... gh variance in performance to say that salary is hardly a determinative factor in baseball. - 26 Oct '12 21:35

How? Both teams above the median made it to the playoffs. This would mean that they effectively bought a playoff spot.*Originally posted by shortcircuit***No, whodey's theory said the bulk of the playoff teams would be in the top half of the**

top team salaries, and here we have only 2 out of 10 and one of those two was barely

above the median.

This blows whodey's theory out of the water.

He expected Boston, Philadelphia, NY Yankees, LA Angels, LA Dodgers to make it.

Only one did. - 28 Oct '12 21:18

And the others... were they given it for free?*Originally posted by tomtom232***How? Both teams above the median made it to the playoffs. This would mean that they effectively bought a playoff spot.**

It's nice to be able to spend money, like a lot of sports worldwide but it doesn't guarantee success. Poor management structure and a lack of cohesion between players will get crusted against a well organized low sending team who are more worried about winning the game than anything else.