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  1. 07 Mar '07 21:24
    Despite very indifferent performances.. all the English teams are through to the Q-F in the champion’s league. (well Arsenal are 1-1 at the mo!)

    What does that say about the other European leagues?

    The ENGLISH PREM LEAGUE IS STILL THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD!!!
  2. 07 Mar '07 21:30
    OK... IT LOOKS LIKE ARSENAL HAVE DONE THE HAT TRICK... got knocked out of three cups in 10 days!!!!
  3. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    07 Mar '07 21:37
    Well... my hopes shall be with Valencia

    Madrid ain't reviving after that 2-0 although there is still time
  4. Standard member Esoteric
    Cognitive Junta
    07 Mar '07 22:12 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by SALADIN
    Despite very indifferent performances.. all the English teams are through to the Q-F in the champion’s league. (well Arsenal are 1-1 at the mo!)

    What does that say about the other European leagues?

    The ENGLISH PREM LEAGUE IS STILL THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD!!!
    Only English people think the EPL is the best league, the rest of the world knows the Spanish and Italian leagues are better.

    EDIT: AC MILAN beat Celtic 1 - 0 (1 - 0 agg.). Kaka scores in extra time (93 min). AC Milan go through.
  5. 07 Mar '07 22:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Esoteric
    Only English people think the EPL is the best league, the rest of the world knows the Spanish and Italian leagues are better.

    EDIT: AC MILAN beat Celtic 1 - 0 (1 - 0 agg.). Kaka scores in extra time (93 min). AC Milan go through.
    BRO.. please!!!

    european champions league.... season in.. season out.. the english teams make the last 8....year after year...after year!!
  6. Standard member Esoteric
    Cognitive Junta
    07 Mar '07 23:02 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by SALADIN
    BRO.. please!!!

    european champions league.... season in.. season out.. the english teams make the last 8....year after year...after year!!
    Yeah, but how many times have they WON it (or even made the final?) in the last 10 years compared to the Spanish and Italians?

    EDIT: Going back 15 years.

    English Winners
    Liverpool - 2005
    Man U - 1999
    Total - 2

    English Runner Up
    Arsenal - 2006
    Total - 1

    Italian Winners
    AC Milan - 1990, 1994, 2003
    Juventus - 1996
    Total- 4

    Italian Runners Up
    AC Milan - 1993, 1995, 2005
    Juventus - 1997, 1998, 2003
    Sampdoria - 1992
    Total - 7

    Spanish Winner
    Real Madrid - 1998, 2000, 2002
    Barcelona - 1992, 2006
    Total - 5

    Spanish Runners Up
    Barcelona - 1994
    Valencia - 2000, 2001
    Total 3

    So England have only had 3 finals appearances in the last 15 years, while Spain had 8 and the Italians 11.
  7. Subscriber invigorate
    Only 1 F in Uckfield
    08 Mar '07 10:18
    Originally posted by Esoteric
    Yeah, but how many times have they WON it (or even made the final?) in the last 10 years compared to the Spanish and Italians?

    EDIT: Going back 15 years.

    English Winners
    Liverpool - 2005
    Man U - 1999
    Total - 2

    English Runner Up
    Arsenal - 2006
    Total - 1

    Italian Winners
    AC Milan - 1990, 1994, 2003
    Juventus - 1996
    Total- 4

    Italian Runner ...[text shortened]... have only had 3 finals appearances in the last 15 years, while Spain had 8 and the Italians 11.
    15 years is a field of convienence. If you went 30 years, 10 years, or 2 years back English clubs record would have a better ratio.

    Still it should be better than it is.
  8. 08 Mar '07 22:22
    Originally posted by SALADIN
    Despite very indifferent performances.. all the English teams are through to the Q-F in the champion’s league. (well Arsenal are 1-1 at the mo!)

    What does that say about the other European leagues?

    The ENGLISH PREM LEAGUE IS STILL THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD!!!
    I think that we might be the best at the moment because of the money in the premiership.

    But be honest a few years ago spanish football was way better. Before that the Italians ruled.

    Maybe in the early 80's we were top for a while.

    Currently our top four teams have great managers with huge budgets.
  9. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    09 Mar '07 00:56
    Originally posted by Esoteric
    Yeah, but how many times have they WON it (or even made the final?) in the last 10 years compared to the Spanish and Italians?

    EDIT: Going back 15 years.

    English Winners
    Liverpool - 2005
    Man U - 1999
    Total - 2

    English Runner Up
    Arsenal - 2006
    Total - 1

    Italian Winners
    AC Milan - 1990, 1994, 2003
    Juventus - 1996
    Total- 4

    Italian Runner ...[text shortened]... have only had 3 finals appearances in the last 15 years, while Spain had 8 and the Italians 11.
    You ignore the profound effect that the 5 year ban on British teams playing in Europe after Heysel had on their competitiveness.

    D
  10. Standard member Esoteric
    Cognitive Junta
    09 Mar '07 06:26
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    You ignore the profound effect that the 5 year ban on British teams playing in Europe after Heysel had on their competitiveness.

    D
    Ahh good point actually.
  11. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    09 Mar '07 10:24
    Originally posted by Esoteric
    Ahh good point actually.
    Also, the "only three foreigners" rule hit British clubs really hard, seeing as Welsh, Scots and Irish were all considered foreign.

    United at the time had Schmeichel, Keane, Irwin, Giggs, Cantona, Kanchelskis and Mark Hughes (If memory serves me), only three of whom could play. I remember Schmeichel getting dropped against Barcelona due to this ridiculous rule. I believe that was scrapped around '96.

    D
  12. Standard member Cityblue
    Moonchester
    09 Mar '07 11:35
    Originally posted by petrosianpupil
    I think that we might be the best at the moment because of the money in the premiership.

    But be honest a few years ago spanish football was way better. Before that the Italians ruled.

    Maybe in the early 80's we were top for a while.

    Currently our top four teams have great managers with huge budgets.
    Couldn't agree more....it goes around a bit, one league appears stronger, then another....

    The German league was considered strong, but at present it's not very strong at all.....still the best league for a day out at the footy though.....the best beer, great atmosphere, terraces......much better than English premiership for a fan
  13. 09 Mar '07 16:48
    Originally posted by Esoteric
    Only English people think the EPL is the best league, the rest of the world knows the Spanish and Italian leagues are better.

    EDIT: AC MILAN beat Celtic 1 - 0 (1 - 0 agg.). Kaka scores in extra time (93 min). AC Milan go through.
    Beating Celtic 1 - 0 on 93 mins is nothing to be proud about when you´re AC Milan, or anyone else for that matter, except possibly Rangers.
  14. 09 Mar '07 16:51 / 2 edits
    Performance based rankings over past five years:

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2007.html

    Also fun:

    http://www.eurofootsie.com/index.php

    and

    http://mancrank.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/