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  1. 21 Dec '09 18:46
    Jimmie Johnson, NASCAR's dominant force, won the Associated Press Athlete of the Year award today.

    Without undermining Johnson's impressive accomplishments in car racing, can we really call a driver/car racer an athlete? I have seen some arguments stating that these drivers must withstand a lot of pressure (G force) while racing at top speeds so they must be in good shape. Some argue that driving takes more conditioning than golfing.

    What say you? What should be the criteria to define what an athlete is?
  2. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    21 Dec '09 19:14
    Does it matter?
  3. 21 Dec '09 19:25 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Does it matter?
    Does anything matter, Palynka?

    Do you ever notice how you answer every question with another question? That's really annoying.

    Make your point and let's discuss.
  4. 21 Dec '09 20:29
    have you ever seen an unfit, fat racing driver?
  5. 21 Dec '09 20:49
    Does anyone answer questions anymore?
  6. 21 Dec '09 20:55
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Does anyone answer questions anymore?
    seriously, i can only use F1 and rallying as proof but to be a professional in the sport you have to be fit just like any other 'athlete', plus you need a lot of the other attributes that sportsmen need to became a racing driver. sure they use a car, what's the difference between controlling a car and controlling a ball or puck?
  7. Standard member Mctayto
    Highlander
    21 Dec '09 21:03
    Originally posted by trev33
    have you ever seen an unfit, fat racing driver?
    Yes, mansell when he tried to return to F1
  8. Standard member Mctayto
    Highlander
    21 Dec '09 21:05
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Jimmie Johnson, NASCAR's dominant force, won the Associated Press Athlete of the Year award today.

    Without undermining Johnson's impressive accomplishments in car racing, can we really call a driver/car racer an athlete? I have seen some arguments stating that these drivers must withstand a lot of pressure (G force) while racing at top speeds so they m ...[text shortened]... ing than golfing.

    What say you? What should be the criteria to define what an athlete is?
    There used to be a program on TV with stars from each sport competing against each other in physical challenges.
    Needless to say the F1 drivers were as fit if not fitter than most sportsmen.
  9. 21 Dec '09 21:06
    Originally posted by trev33
    seriously, i can only use F1 and rallying as proof but to be a professional in the sport you have to be fit just like any other 'athlete', plus you need a lot of the other attributes that sportsmen need to became a racing driver. sure they use a car, what's the difference between controlling a car and controlling a ball or puck?
    Those are good points. To my knowledge, I don't know any unfit drivers. Then again, I don't watch the sport(s).
  10. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    21 Dec '09 21:21
    In my opinion they are athletes.

    However, is racing a sport* per se? Same questions goes for those sports where the
    technology has "created" champs who, back in 1915 or 1920, would have not won
    even the Lincoln Heights' Invitation for Under 14 year olds.
  11. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    21 Dec '09 21:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by darvlay
    a lot of pressure (G force)
    Is that your secret with the ladies, tiger? Groar!
  12. 21 Dec '09 23:14
    Most definitely a sport. Requires strength, fitness, great eye hand coordination, wonderful reflexes, stamina, ability to stand G forces. Those who have shook hands with Danika Patric say she has an iron grip. Can only imagine the strenght of the men!
  13. Subscriber Very Rusty
    Treat Everyone Equal
    21 Dec '09 23:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by trev33
    seriously, i can only use F1 and rallying as proof but to be a professional in the sport you have to be fit just like any other 'athlete', plus you need a lot of the other attributes that sportsmen need to became a racing driver. sure they use a car, what's the difference between controlling a car and controlling a ball or puck?
    Actually there is a really big difference in controlling a car and controlling a ball or a puck, and I am quite suprised you don't understand that.

    Yes A professional driver should be considered an athlete, in my opinion.
  14. 21 Dec '09 23:29
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Jimmie Johnson, NASCAR's dominant force, won the Associated Press Athlete of the Year award today.

    Without undermining Johnson's impressive accomplishments in car racing, can we really call a driver/car racer an athlete? I have seen some arguments stating that these drivers must withstand a lot of pressure (G force) while racing at top speeds so they m ...[text shortened]... ing than golfing.

    What say you? What should be the criteria to define what an athlete is?
    depends on your definition of an athlete.

    They compete - they race against each other in different disciplines (different tracks,etc)

    They represent - a team and/or a nationality

    They try to better records - Timing sheets, number of points (season for drivers, competitons for athletes)

    To me a driver is an athlete
  15. Standard member Traveling Again
    I'm 1/4 Ninja
    22 Dec '09 00:11
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Most definitely a sport. Requires strength, fitness, great eye hand coordination, wonderful reflexes, stamina, ability to stand G forces. Those who have shook hands with Danika Patric say she has an iron grip. Can only imagine the strenght of the men!
    The guy who works in my stock room is a big, strong guy who lifts lots of heavy boxes all day
    long (strength, stamina). He operates a forklift too, which requires good hand-eye
    coordination and reflexes when picking and maneuvering pallets from the high racks. Doesn't
    withstand g-forces, but has to withstand poor air quality in the warehouse. Does this make
    him an athlete?

    Are pilots "athletes" because of the physical demands of their job? A bike messenger?
    Construction worker? A guy working 12-hr shifts on an assembly line fitting parts that require
    strength, hand-eye coordination, reflexes, stamina, etc.? Is the only reason they're not
    because of the lack of entertaining competition?

    I think everyone draws there line differently, but I say that race car drivers, though maybe
    incredibly fit, are no more athletes that anyone else who has a job that requires physical
    dexterity. Sportsmen? Sure. But not athletes. I'm not sure exactly where I'd draw my line,
    though. If golfers are athletes, then are bowlers? If bowlers are athletes, then are dart
    throwers?

    I put race car drivers in the same category as race boat drivers, motorcycle racers, etc. Maybe
    incredibly fit sportsmen, but not "athletes." I guess to me it has something to do with
    whether or not the human body is more important to the sport than the technology being used
    to generate power or the process of the game. How would the sport look if advanced
    technology were taken out of the equation? Runners, ball players, gymnasts, boxers,
    swimmers, etc are sports where the human body is at the heart of it. I think those are true
    athletes. But I'm willing to be persuaded differently.