25 Apr 12
Sorry, but it has to be said.
Who wins the Cup is usually more a product of luck than of any other factor. Bounces of the puck are so random and the scoring is so low that a team can be severely outplayed and still win.
Does anyone who watched game 6 CHI-PHX the other night really want to argue with a straight face that Phoenix was the better team? The Devils totally dominated Florida last night and came within inches of losing in the first minute of OT last night. Is LA really a better team than Vancouver? No. Really? Put those exact same two teams on the ice for an 80 game season starting tomorrow and how much would you plunk down on LA finishing with a better record?
That's what I though.
27 Apr 12
Originally posted by sh76Phoenix won by solid goalkeeping. LA plays a rugged game that suits the playoffs and they also have top flight goalkeeping.
Sorry, but it has to be said.
Who wins the Cup is usually more a product of luck than of any other factor. Bounces of the puck are so random and the scoring is so low that a team can be severely outplayed and still win.
Does anyone who watched game 6 CHI-PHX the other night really want to argue with a straight face that Phoenix was the better team? The De ...[text shortened]... d how much would you plunk down on LA finishing with a better record?
That's what I though.
Its a different game in the playoffs. I predict LA to win it all, but I favor the Coyotes since I live in the Phoenix area.
28 Apr 12
Originally posted by badmoonI agree luck fugures somewhat, but you have to press on the attack to create those "luck" chances! Indeed Coyotes played an excellent match last night. Luck figures strongly in every sport hence the saying "I'd rather be lucky than good". The incredible athleticism required to create "luck" is awesome to behold! Coyotes have an awesome goalie!
Phoenix won by solid goalkeeping. LA plays a rugged game that suits the playoffs and they also have top flight goalkeeping.
Its a different game in the playoffs. I predict LA to win it all, but I favor the Coyotes since I live in the Phoenix area.
23 May 12
Originally posted by sh76You make several presumptions in your argument that result in a simple explanation that has nothing to do with luck.
Sorry, but it has to be said.
Who wins the Cup is usually more a product of luck than of any other factor. Bounces of the puck are so random and the scoring is so low that a team can be severely outplayed and still win.
Does anyone who watched game 6 CHI-PHX the other night really want to argue with a straight face that Phoenix was the better team? The De ...[text shortened]... d how much would you plunk down on LA finishing with a better record?
That's what I though.
First, luck is not what you define it as. To fit your argument, each team would have to be equally matched and have the exact same number of good scoring chances. Luck would then determine the winner by way of a lucky bounce or two.
Clearly, this is not the case as you outline that one team dominated the other but still lost. You arbitrarily attribute this to luck.
A better analysis would recognize there are many many factors that go into a seemingly dominate team losing the game that don't necessarily rely on luck.
To illustrate this point simply, ask yourself why a team that outshoots their opponent 30-9 can still lose? Is it luck? Or is it the other teams' goalie just played better? You seem to discount superstar performances deriving from skill and instead atribute a superstar performance to luck. For shame. Such intellectual laziness has no place in sports!
I could go on and on, but the ADD afflicted would complain silently and move on without reading.
Suffice to say, chance favours the prepared mind...and in sports, chance favours the prepared team. And sometimes, chance has nothing to do with it.
23 May 12
Originally posted by uzlessI hope that LA wins this year.
You make several presumptions in your argument that result in a simple explanation that has nothing to do with luck.
First, luck is not what you define it as. To fit your argument, each team would have to be equally matched and have the exact same number of good scoring chances. Luck would then determine the winner by way of a lucky bounce or two.
Cle ...[text shortened]... in sports, chance favours the prepared team. And sometimes, chance has nothing to do with it.
24 May 12
Originally posted by uzlessAll you're saying is that the team who plays better has a better chance of winning.
You make several presumptions in your argument that result in a simple explanation that has nothing to do with luck.
First, luck is not what you define it as. To fit your argument, each team would have to be equally matched and have the exact same number of good scoring chances. Luck would then determine the winner by way of a lucky bounce or two.
Cle ...[text shortened]... in sports, chance favours the prepared team. And sometimes, chance has nothing to do with it.
Of course that's true, but the team that plays worse also has a good chance to win, which inherently means that luck has a significant role.
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24 May 12
Originally posted by sh76He didn't say that at all.
All you're saying is that the team who plays better has a better chance of winning.
Of course that's true, but the team that plays worse also has a good chance to win, which inherently means that luck has a significant role.
24 May 12
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Originally posted by uzlessWhatever. I'm not a cryptology major. But anyone who watches a lot of hockey sees pucks arbitrarily bouncing all over the place. Goalies make lucky saves with the knobs of their sticks or with their backsides while flopped on the ground. Pucks hit posts and bounce in or bounce out in a manner that's virtually random. Deflections that can't really be controlled randomly hit the goalie or randomly go in the net. Long shots that were headed wide bounce off defensemen's skates and in. Of course the more chances you create, the more likely you are to get goals, but the random aspect is heavy. In an 82 game season the random bounces tend to even up. But in a 7 game series? No way.
Ha, it was kind of the opposite of what i said....!! :->
12 Jun 12
Originally posted by sh76Congrates to LA for winning their first championship.
Whatever. I'm not a cryptology major. But anyone who watches a lot of hockey sees pucks arbitrarily bouncing all over the place. Goalies make lucky saves with the knobs of their sticks or with their backsides while flopped on the ground. Pucks hit posts and bounce in or bounce out in a manner that's virtually random. Deflections that can't really be controlled ...[text shortened]... vy. In an 82 game season the random bounces tend to even up. But in a 7 game series? No way.