1. Subscriberdivegeester
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    11 Feb '12 18:191 edit
    Suarez should have shaken hands with Evra but so what. Rio Ferdinand should know better than to retaliate with a non-handshake - real leadership there Rio.

    Evra is a total wind-up - him dancing in celebration in front of Suarez, who notalby made no reaction.

    The matter of the racist comment is settled; Suarez was guilty and was punished. Not shaking hands is not racism, it's just being pissed off with someone.

    As for Fergie's statement that "Suarez should never play for Liverpool again" is a ridiculous and enflamatory comment from a man who is supposed to be a leader in world football and who should also know better.

    Everyone in the media should stop trying to be politicallly"right on" and move on.
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    11 Feb '12 23:14
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Suarez should have shaken hands with Evra but so what. Rio Ferdinand should know better than to retaliate with a non-handshake - real leadership there Rio.

    Evra is a total wind-up - him dancing in celebration in front of Suarez, who notalby made no reaction.

    The matter of the racist comment is settled; Suarez was guilty and was punished. Not sh ...[text shortened]... er.

    Everyone in the media should stop trying to be politicallly"right on" and move on.
    i think the handshakes at the start of the game should be scrapped, i don't see the point. all it does is create tension, there was the instance last year when Bridge and Terry didn't shake as Terry was shagging his other half, would you shake the hand of someone who was diddling your girlfriend? different today, but remove the handshake and the problem will not be there
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    11 Feb '12 23:35
    Originally posted by Wycombe Al
    i think the handshakes at the start of the game should be scrapped, i don't see the point. all it does is create tension, there was the instance last year when Bridge and Terry didn't shake as Terry was shagging his other half, would you shake the hand of someone who was diddling your girlfriend? different today, but remove the handshake and the problem will not be there
    I agree, removing the handshake would have prevented the incident. However, both players let themselves down. Kenny Dalglish and Ferguson didn't do themselves any favours in the post match interview either.
    As for the game, Scholes proving to be the best acquisition of the transfer window!
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    11 Feb '12 23:38
    Originally posted by Wycombe Al
    i think the handshakes at the start of the game should be scrapped, i don't see the point. all it does is create tension, there was the instance last year when Bridge and Terry didn't shake as Terry was shagging his other half, would you shake the hand of someone who was diddling your girlfriend? different today, but remove the handshake and the problem will not be there
    I don't think that the hand shake is the problem. Stop s**ging your team mates' girl friends and making derogatory references to other players ethnicity then there won't be a problem.
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    11 Feb '12 23:39
    Originally posted by Doyle78
    I agree, removing the handshake would have prevented the incident. However, both players let themselves down. Kenny Dalglish and Ferguson didn't do themselves any favours in the post match interview either.
    As for the game, Scholes proving to be the best acquisition of the transfer window!
    no one did themsleves any favours, Suarez igmoring the shake, Evra over celeberating, Daglish claiming he was unaware, Fergie saying he should be banned.....

    best buy in my opinion in transfer window looking at today's games was Saha for Spurs
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    12 Feb '12 04:10
    Originally posted by Wycombe Al
    there was the instance last year when Bridge and Terry didn't shake as Terry was shagging his other half
    Terry was accused of shagging bridge's ex, she was his ex at the time incidently and they both deny the incident. Later newspapers printed an apology but of course not on the front page like they splashed the original story...

    On January 31, we published some personal information about Vanessa Perroncel concerning an alleged affair with the footballer John Terry. We have since been informed she would have preferred this to remain private and it was untrue in any case. We apologise to Miss Perroncel for any distress caused. [Mail on Sunday]

    On January 31 and afterwards we published some personal information about Vanessa Perroncel in articles concerning an alleged affair with the footballer John Terry.
    Miss Perroncel has since informed us that she would have preferred her personal information to remain private and it was untrue in any case. We apologise to Miss Perroncel for any distress caused. [Screws of the World (RnIP)]
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    12 Feb '12 11:10
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Suarez should have shaken hands with Evra but so what. Rio Ferdinand should know better than to retaliate with a non-handshake - real leadership there Rio.

    Evra is a total wind-up - him dancing in celebration in front of Suarez, who notalby made no reaction.

    The matter of the racist comment is settled; Suarez was guilty and was punished. Not sh ...[text shortened]... er.

    Everyone in the media should stop trying to be politicallly"right on" and move on.
    good game, will be remembered for all the wrong reasons, the handshake is meant to calm the moronic fans done (minority) and show them its just a game, i wonder how busy casualty was on saturday night? both players where at fault, you dont even see 9 year old acting like that. spurs are looking great hope redknapp stays, as a scot hope england get AVB as new manager. 🙂
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    12 Feb '12 13:42
    Just why does FIFA accept, sight unseen, any uncorroborated statements about anything, let alone racism, to suspend anyone. Let me get this straight, so a governing body accepts racism claims from the very same players who roll on the ground as if struck by lightning when hardly touched and FIFA does not think this "racism" canard won't be used as the new flop? It is all quite laughable indeed! So how come if a racism claim of a he said-he said nature always seem to result in believing the alleged aggrieved party? EPL is becoming a laughingstock indeed!
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    12 Feb '12 16:36
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Just why does FIFA accept, sight unseen, any uncorroborated statements about anything, let alone racism, to suspend anyone. Let me get this straight, so a governing body accepts racism claims from the very same players who roll on the ground as if struck by lightning when hardly touched and FIFA does not think this "racism" canard won't be used as the n ...[text shortened]... m to result in believing the alleged aggrieved party? EPL is becoming a laughingstock indeed!
    The investigations are very thorough and players are not banned on uncorroborated statements (in Suarez's case you can read the 115 page document). I expect if John Terry is found guilty that he will face a substantial ban and quite right too.

    FIFA itself seems to be quite tame on the racism issue, according to Sepp Blatter it can all be dealt with by a handshake (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15757165 which is great for listing some more Blatterisms). In this matter at least I think the FA is not a laughing stock, and FIFA would be if it was a laughing matter.

    I think Suarez would have gained a lot of credit and would have been able to draw this matter to a close if he had just shook the hand. He let Liverpool down and abused the support (somewhat misguided at times) that the club had given him. You only have to mention names such as Shankley, Paisley to think that this goes against the historic image of Liverpool FC.
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    12 Feb '12 16:42
    It should be noted that Suarez, Liverpool and Dalglish has since apologised for his actions and so maybe this particular saga can be closed.
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    12 Feb '12 16:461 edit
    Originally posted by deriver69
    It should be noted that Suarez, Liverpool and Dalglish has since apologised for his actions and so maybe this particular saga can be closed.
    removing the handshake is the answer????, pathetic! these players are on 20,000
    pounds a match and they cannot even shake hands, hello!
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    12 Feb '12 19:57
    Originally posted by deriver69
    The investigations are very thorough and players are not banned on uncorroborated statements (in Suarez's case you can read the 115 page document). I expect if John Terry is found guilty that he will face a substantial ban and quite right too.

    FIFA itself seems to be quite tame on the racism issue, according to Sepp Blatter it can all be dealt with by a ...[text shortened]... s such as Shankley, Paisley to think that this goes against the historic image of Liverpool FC.
    Ridiculous. It is all he said she said and there are no witnesses to corroborate the allegations. Whether Suarez apologized or not is irrelevant. The way FIFA and other quasi-totalitarian regimes operate is through threats and intimidation. If Suarez did not apologize the suspension might have been extended indefinitely. FIFA does not do thorough anything ever! The victim is always believed, plain and simple! It is all quite laughable. So EPL is crawling with racists? Why would this same allegation not apply to general managers, coaches and other behind the scenes staff? No minority players would be hired! I'm telling you it's the new flop/dive!
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    13 Feb '12 00:37
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Ridiculous. It is all he said she said and there are no witnesses to corroborate the allegations. Whether Suarez apologized or not is irrelevant. The way FIFA and other quasi-totalitarian regimes operate is through threats and intimidation. If Suarez did not apologize the suspension might have been extended indefinitely. FIFA does not do thorough anythi ...[text shortened]... the scenes staff? No minority players would be hired! I'm telling you it's the new flop/dive!
    Have you read all 115 pages prepared by legal experts, not FA officials? There is no evidence that Suarez would have had a longer ban and he has never apologised (apart from apologising for his actions on Saturday). The victim's complaints are listened to and investigated just like in every other area of life.

    What it has to do with FIFA I am not sure, FIFA seem behind the times when it comes to racism.
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    13 Feb '12 00:56
    Originally posted by deriver69
    Have you read all 115 pages prepared by legal experts, not FA officials? There is no evidence that Suarez would have had a longer ban and he has never apologised (apart from apologising for his actions on Saturday). The victim's complaints are listened to and investigated just like in every other area of life.

    What it has to do with FIFA I am not sure, FIFA seem behind the times when it comes to racism.
    Of course I did not read all 115 pages as I am sure neither did you. Do you really trust "racism" police to make objective findings? I read a well written article by a local sports writer who questions both FIFA and FA. These knee-jerk "racism" solutions are laughable at best and more do gooder efforts at correcting what I fail to believe is a real problem in athletics in FA. How come in USA, the hotbed of racism according to Europeans, where athletics have been integrated much longer, we never hear of racism concerns? I am telling you. A well placed racism complaint will be the new football flop. Plain and simple it is ripe for abuse. In the Suarez case there is nor corroborative information whatsoever. How can player be suspended sight unseen? Fairness appears to be eliminated from the picture entirely. I am not a Suarez defender. he may be a talented idiot, but racist? We don't know! Based on a complaint absent corroborative data we know even less.
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    13 Feb '12 02:12
    Originally posted by scacchipazzo
    Of course I did not read all 115 pages as I am sure neither did you. Do you really trust "racism" police to make objective findings? I read a well written article by a local sports writer who questions both FIFA and FA. These knee-jerk "racism" solutions are laughable at best and more do gooder efforts at correcting what I fail to believe is a real prob ...[text shortened]... ut racist? We don't know! Based on a complaint absent corroborative data we know even less.
    Almost noone else (apart from one local journalist somewhere) seems to say there was no corrobative information. A player cannot be suspended without evidence. In the hearing Suarez's version of events didnt match other evidence for instance the tv pictures, other witnesses, Evra's did fit the evidence. This was in front of a panel that included a QC who would be well aware of the requirement for what counts as evidence for and against a charge. Only after this investigation was a ban imposed.

    I have not reead the 115 page document but have read summaries from many journalists. Have not come across one yet who has not said that the findings of the panel were not made after thorough consideration of all the evidence.

    I think the case of Terry is a bit more problematic as he has been punished before being found guilty. Having said that if Terry is found guilty then he too should have a lengthy ban. Neither Terry or Suarez have been accused by the FA of being a racist, but of using racist language.
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