Originally posted by shortcircuitFredmeister! Not doing so well in the thumb count I see.....oh well, thats your choice....anyone willing to to worship at the feet of Eldrick will have to take his chances....so this is big news! The supposed greatest golfer (who gimped off two weeks ago knowing he wasnt going to win) actually won a tourney......you heard it here first....he aint catchin Jack, he cant consult Doctor Canuck for peds anymore, hes about done.....and now, sadly it appears he's tooold to be a Seal😵😵....fear not! The press has announced that without the great Eldrick golf would not even exist anymore......its all so nauseating, but there you have it......I'ma Eldrick fan, hes the best of the clan, deep in the heart, of texas.....heehaw!!!!!
mudpie isn't shooting his mouth off this morning. Why is that?
Oh, because Tiger Woods won the tournament this weekend at Bay Hill.
I'm sure he can come up with something damning or demeaning.
Tiger is lurking again, and the Masters is two weeks away.
And by the way, after the Great "Gimp Off" you were nowhere to be found.....and as the saying goes about living in glasshouses........🙄🙄...its not just Fredmeister, but all of you out there, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE......who will totally give up the ghost to be politically correct.......Wasting Away in Pussyville"
Originally posted by mudpieMudlump, you haven't had a reality check in quite some time.
And by the way, after the Great "Gimp Off" you were nowhere to be found.....and as the saying goes about living in glasshouses........🙄🙄...its not just Fredmeister, but all of you out there, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE......who will totally give up the ghost to be politically correct.......Wasting Away in Pussyville"
Don't erect yourself too tall of a pedestal, because the fall will be much longer for you.
I can understand that you are wasting away in Pussyville.
That is one place that suits you.
The post that was quoted here has been removedI'm sorry, he's not the greatest ever. If he wins as many or more majors than Mr. Nicklaus, then we can talk. Even if he manages it, I'm still not convinced he's better than Jack. Look at the competition Jack was up against. Name me another player in Tiger's era that stacks up to Arnold Palmer or Tom Watson.
Originally posted by dryhumpBased on your argument, then even Jack can't be the best.
I'm sorry, he's not the greatest ever. If he wins as many or more majors than Mr. Nicklaus, then we can talk. Even if he manages it, I'm still not convinced he's better than Jack. Look at the competition Jack was up against. Name me another player in Tiger's era that stacks up to Arnold Palmer or Tom Watson.
He didn't play against Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson, Walter Hagen, Sam Snead, Gene Sarazan.
Every era has a different match set of players.
I would say that Ernie Els, Phil Mickelson, Vijay Singh, Jose Maria Olazabal, Davis Love III, David Toms
and Steve Stricker, Lee Westwood, Padraig Harrington, Colin Montgomery
would be a decent lot.
Then toss in the young guns such as Rory McIlroy, Luke Donald, Rickie Fowler,
Keegan Bradley, Hunter Mahan....to name a few.
We will have to see how all of their respective careers end up before you can
dismiss the competition, don't you think?
No one in history ever dominated a sport as Tiger did in his prime. No one!!
And it wasn't against a bunch of crap golfers as the wins list and money list will attest.
Like him or hate him, you cannot deny that he sky-rocketed golf's rating, purses,
and exposure to levels never before experienced.
I believe he will surpass Jack's record for the majors.
With one more win he ties Jack for second on All time wins.
If he wins 10 more times, he takes Snead's record too.
Originally posted by CrowleyIn all honesty, there are a VERY few top flight athletes, in any sport,
I'm not a fan of Tiger. His arrogance grates on me.
But he raises golf's profile and for that I appreciate it when he does well.
that do not possess the arrogance you speak of.
They are at the top, and they become used to the special treatment.
They also have huge demands placed on them and the will to win creeps in too.
Why are people obsessed with numbers?
The last few years the Giants have won 2 superbowl... backed into both of them. Are they better than Greenbay? The Patriots? No and no. Greatness isn't dertimined by how much you win (although being remembered for you greatness seems to be) but by how good you are.
I don't care if a great athlete is arrogant... really. I think somebody that rises to the top in any sport of profession in life is more easily forgiven for being arrogant than some arrogant nobody.
I hate how players can never be as great as the LEGENDS. The players we looked up to as kids will always be the 'greatest'. No current player can compare.
Sport overall has evolved so much these past 30-40 years or so. I can mostly speak for the sports I watch a lot, like cricket and rugby, but golf too.
The courses are tougher and longer, but gear got better and players fitter and equipped better overall. There are just so many tournaments and many more world class opponents. You just can't really compare the eras...
I think Tiger is solidly in the top 5 golfers of all time. No other golfer ever has had the effect he's had on the game overall.
He's still a complete tool though.
In cricket we have a player like Jacques Kallis. He is easily the best cricket player the game has ever seen, but because he's still currently playing, people are just not convinced of his 'legend' status, no matter what the stats say.
The legends' shadows just eclipse any current player, it's the way it works.