17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFHow is that answering the question? Is that the entirely of your religion? That you have no religion? How is that not atheism?
But I did answer the question. You asked "Why don't you tell us about your "God-figure" then, or your "superstitions"? And I answered "I don't think God has revealed Himself to any of us."
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by SuzianneI haven't claimed that I have a religion. You asked "Why don't you tell us about your "God-figure" then, or your "superstitions"? And I answered "I don't think God has revealed Himself to any of us." It's the most succinct answer I can offer because I can't just make up stuff about God and I can't describe any superstitions other than that I have a gut feeling that there is a God, which is why I wouldn't describe myself as an atheist.
How is that answering the question? Is that the entirely of your religion? That you have no religion? How is that not atheism?
17 Aug 16
FMF: I don't think God has revealed Himself to any of us.Well, unlike me, most atheists would either say there is no God who is going to reveal Himself to any of us, or they see no reason to believe that there is a God who is going to reveal Himself to us.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So what's the difference between you and an atheist?
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFSo there is a God but we cannot know Him. Then how do you know there is a God?
Well, unlike me, most atheists would either say there is no God who is going to reveal Himself to any of us, or they see no reason to believe that there is a God who is going to reveal Himself to us.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by SuzianneIt's a feeling that I would describe as being akin to "instinctive". I wonder whether it is part of my (or our) hard wiring. I also wonder whether the source of the moral sense that humans have is also, in part, explained by our hard wiring.
So there is a God but we cannot know Him. Then how do you know there is a God?
If so, I wonder whether it is in some way created. But with there being ~ to my way of thinking, anyway ~ no credible revelation from God or a creator, it remains a subject of wonder and conjecture.
For what it's worth, I think religions are the result of wonder and conjecture too and form an integral part of the human condition in action.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeThe God of love will be with you is our hope, doing the right thing by each other, caring
'Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice! Strive for full restoration, encourage one another, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.' (2 Cor13:11)
God doesn't expect you to be perfect. God expects you to 'strive' for perfection. So yes, you can sin and still be righteous.
for one another is how we should be living. Our lives should be geared towards these
things that has always been the case, to love God and our fellowman are the two great
commandments.
Only by doing both of those two things do we obey God who is our righteous, loving God
first keeps us away from twisting this life into something it shouldn't be. Due to putting
God first we stop putting ourselves first or anything else. So striving for just ourselves or
those with us cannot be our goal. Even how we treat those that hate us has to be altered
by the love of God since Jesus died for each one of us, we need to put Jesus before our
condemnation of others no matter how just we may think we are. Loving our neighbor
puts others before us so we should not hold back from what is due to others, we need to
look after the needs of others and not think of ourselves only.
Being right with God in Jesus Christ settles our righteousness through Jesus, loving the
Lord is obeying Him and doing right by our King. So we will be striving for perfection as
He defines it. Which is loving God and our neighbors as ourselves. With God as our Lord
no matter our circumstances we need to know He is with us and not get caught up in one
is better than another, or that God likes or hates us, because we have what some would
call a good life or a bad one. Things, power, health, friends, family are not the measure
of God's love for us, we can trust His love no matter what.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFOn what do you base this gut feeling?
I haven't claimed that I have a religion. You asked "Why don't you tell us about your "God-figure" then, or your "superstitions"? And I answered "I don't think God has revealed Himself to any of us." It's the most succinct answer I can offer because I can't just make up stuff about God and I can't describe any superstitions other than that I have a gut feeling that there is a God, which is why I wouldn't describe myself as an atheist.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFOk, but if there is a God, and we cannot know Him, then is there a difference between His existing and His not existing? What I am getting at is then what is the point of there even being a God in the first place? Or can we not even know that, either? And then, what is the point of that?
It's a feeling that I would describe as being akin to "instinctive". I wonder whether it is part of my (or our) hard wiring. I also wonder whether the source of the moral sense that humans have is also, in part, explained by our hard wiring.
If so, I wonder whether it is in some way created. But with there being ~ to my way of thinking, anyway ~ no credible ...[text shortened]... result of wonder and conjecture too and form an integral part of the human condition in action.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThe expression "gut feeling" is an idiom that you should be familiar with. It means a a personal, intuitive notion or sense about something without knowing exactly why. Being intuitive, it isn't really explicitly based on anything. If I had to guess, I'd say its 'basis' was my hard wiring, pretty much in the same way that your inclination towards religion is probably an upshot of your hard wiring.
On what do you base this gut feeling?
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by SuzianneWhat do you mean by "what is the point"? Just because you subscribe to a retail religion and have a plethora of "points" pertaining to your theories and dogma, doesn't mean everyone - especially a non-religious person - has to offer you something similar in return. Give me an example of the kind of "point" you imagine I could make, based on what you know, in response to your question "what is the point?"
Ok, but if there is a God, and we cannot know Him, then is there a difference between His existing and His not existing? What I am getting at is then what is the point of there even being a God in the first place? Or can we not even know that, either? And then, what is the point of that?
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFSo if you had to use one word to describe your beliefs would it be theist, agnostic, or FMFinism? I assume atheist is off the table.
The expression "gut feeling" is an idiom that you should be familiar with. It means a a personal, intuitive notion or sense about something without knowing exactly why. Being intuitive, it isn't really explicitly based on anything. If I had to guess, I'd say its 'basis' was my hard wiring, pretty much in the same way that your inclination towards religion is probably an upshot of your hard wiring.
17 Aug 16
Originally posted by FMFWell, did this God that we cannot know create us humans? Why? Or is this *all* 'unknowable' in some 'zen' sort of way?
What do you mean by "what is the point"? Just because you subscribe to a retail religion and have a plethora of "points" pertaining to your theories and dogma, doesn't mean everyone - especially a non-religious person - has to offer you something similar in return. Give me an example of the kind of "point" you imagine I could make, based on what you know, in response to your question "what is the point?"