1. SubscriberRuss
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    27 Mar '07 13:499 edits
    In response to community feedback, we have put in place a change to the terms of service text that removes a little ambiguity and is explicit about the use of Endgame tablebases.

    3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS

    (b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third party to assist you in any game. Chess books and databases can be consulted during play.

    Now reads :

    (b) While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party. Endgame tablebases may not be consulted during play but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials.

    -Russ

    [20070327 Edited for formatting.]
    [20070328 Edit : Link fixed]
    [20070328 Edit : For typo]
    [Also, thanks to Gatecrasher for suggesting the text.]
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    27 Mar '07 19:381 edit
    Does this mean we can't reference Kasparov vs. Deep Blue or other human vs. computer games?
  3. Standard memberRamned
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    27 Mar '07 19:45
    That link does not work.
  4. Standard memberRamned
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    27 Mar '07 19:501 edit
    Originally posted by Russ
    In response to community feedback, we have put in place a change to the terms of service text that removes a little ambiguity and is explicit about the use of [="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase"]Endgame tablebases[/].

    3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS

    [i](b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any thir ...[text shortened]... ]

    -Russ

    [Edited for formatting.]
    [Also, thanks to Gatecrasher for suggesting the text.]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase

    Appears to be this site.
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    27 Mar '07 21:281 edit
    Originally posted by Russ
    In response to community feedback, we have put in place a change to the terms of service text that removes a little ambiguity and is explicit about the use of [="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase"]Endgame tablebases[/].

    3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS

    [i](b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any thir ...[text shortened]... ]

    -Russ

    [Edited for formatting.]
    [Also, thanks to Gatecrasher for suggesting the text.]
    [/i]Okay, thanks Russ, I think this helps those who get confused reading that bit; however, it doesn't exactly make perfect sense yet.

    Instead of:
    'While a game is progress you...'

    Perhaps you should say:
    'While a game is in progress you...'

    or

    'While a game is progressing you...'


    I think that would make more sense.

    Thanks for all the effort you put into the site btw! 🙂
  6. Standard memberGatecrasher
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    Yeah, there's an "in" missing.

    So it wasn't just a case of cut, paste and post. A little bit of editing required too!
  7. Standard memberAiko
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    28 Mar '07 00:48
    Originally posted by Gatecrasher
    So it wasn't just a case of cut, paste and post. A little bit of editing required too!
    (The more edits, the more one learns...!)
  8. SubscriberRuss
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    28 Mar '07 09:47
    Originally posted by Gatecrasher
    Yeah, there's an "in" missing.

    So it wasn't just a case of cut, paste and post. A little bit of editing required too!
    [ooops 😳]
  9. Standard membercadwah
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    28 Mar '07 19:48
    Originally posted by Russ
    In response to community feedback, we have put in place a change to the terms of service text that removes a little ambiguity and is explicit about the use of [=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase]Endgame tablebases[/].

    3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS

    [i](b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third ...[text shortened]... Link fixed]
    [20070328 Edit : For typo]
    [Also, thanks to Gatecrasher for suggesting the text.]
    Great, now spa.. message everyone on the site and inform them.
  10. Standard memberwittywonka
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    You might clear this up, too...can we consult endgame tables in books?
  11. Standard memberJohn of Reading
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    The endgame tablebases are far too big to print
  12. Standard membermillerman
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    30 Mar '07 18:56
    Originally posted by cadwah
    Great, now spa.. message everyone on the site and inform them.
    Couldn't agree more,

    Pointless having an major amendent to the TOS and just posting it on the announcements board when only a small fraction of ppl visit this forum.
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    I've been consulting the Shredder online opening database, so that I can learn the various names for the classic openings, and their first 5 or 6 moves. I don't use it past the 6th move. Is this OK under the TOS?

    http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/opening-database.html
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    Originally posted by narya
    I've been consulting the Shredder online opening database, so that I can learn the various names for the classic openings, and their first 5 or 6 moves. I don't use it past the 6th move. Is this OK under the TOS?

    http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/opening-database.html
    See above.

    Originally posted by Russ
    ...but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials.


    -Russ
    [/i]
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    15 May '07 04:42
    Originally posted by Russ
    In response to community feedback, we have put in place a change to the terms of service text that removes a little ambiguity and is explicit about the use of [=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase]Endgame tablebases[/].

    3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS

    [i](b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third ...[text shortened]... Link fixed]
    [20070328 Edit : For typo]
    [Also, thanks to Gatecrasher for suggesting the text.]
    ](b) You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third party to assist you in any game. Chess books and databases can be consulted during play.

    So you cant ask some dumb ass patzer that is sat next to you while you consider a move what move he would play, BUT you CAN consult chess books and databases that contain thousands of very strong moves and lines of play, books and databases that are written by GM's and IM's

    How on earth do you police this nonsense ?

    No hang on, a better question would be why do you even waste your time with this crap.

    Regards

    Forever
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