@Very-Rusty saidI get it and you can save the all caps. We are chessfriends talking here.
If you timeout that could be considered a form of SANDBAGGING.....Do you not get it??? Your rating still drops call it time miss management if you please! 😉
Now if you are sick or hurt and hospital then you have a reason for timing out. Only you should get yourself put on VACATION, as I have done many times throughout the years!~
-VR
Yes, if you intentionally time-out a game that you are winning or even - that would be sandbagging.
Yes, if you intentionally drop a queen in a game that you are winning or even - that would be sandbagging.
The issue is intent. If you consciously make a decision to lose a game that you are winning or even - that would be sandbagging.
It's not against the rules. It is not something you have to defend. You have your reasons - we are not debating that your reasons are not good ones - do what you want.
@Bish saidYOU COULD START BY NOT TELLING ME TO CUT OUT THE CAPS!!!
I get it and you can save the all caps. We are chessfriends talking here.
Yes, if you intentionally time-out a game that you are winning or even - that would be sandbagging.
Yes, if you intentionally drop a queen in a game that you are winning or even - that would be sandbagging.
The issue is intent. If you consciously make a decision to lose a game that you are winnin ...[text shortened]... You have your reasons - we are not debating that your reasons are not good ones - do what you want.
What would you call it if a player is intentionally holding up a challenge so another one can't be started???
Intentionally or even not intentionally timing out could be considered SANDBAGGING.
Who have you ever seen INTENTIONALLY DROPPING A QUEEN???
I have personally never timed out in a game in 18 years!!! Knock on wood!!
As you may be aware even friends have differences of opinions on things
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidSomeone using all caps to say don't believe your own eyes - believe me instead - seems very familiar somehow. 🤔
YOU COULD START BY NOT TELLING ME TO CUT OUT THE CAPS!!!
What would you call it if a player is intentionally holding up a challenge so another one can't be started???
Intentionally or even not intentionally timing out could be considered SANDBAGGING.
Who have you ever seen INTENTIONALLY DROPPING A QUEEN???
-VR
Let's play chess. Hopefully our faithful and diligent clan leaders will pair us again soon. All our games have been fun and competitive.
The clan system has benefited greatly from your work product and chess energy VR. We are all lucky you are here. 🫡
@Bish saidBish,
Someone using all caps to say don't believe your own eyes - believe me instead - seems very familiar somehow. 🤔
Let's play chess. Hopefully our faithful and diligent clan leaders will pair us again soon. All our games have been fun and competitive.
The clan system has benefited greatly from your work product and chess energy VR. We are all lucky you are here. 🫡
I am of a the opinion you have been on this site before under another name.
I believe your keeping your rating purposely lower than your real rating I have played you 8 times losing 6 and drawing 2, which I got very fortunate in, as we both know, now everyone knows.
Of course you would love to be matched up with me, having not lost a game in 8 in a row. Why not try a higher rated player than myself, someone who can actually compete against you??? Why try to take advantage of a (so called chess friend) who you know you have at least a draw before a piece on the board is moved???
That is not to say I will never play you, just that we both know the odds would be in your favor. Lets see how you do with someone around your own playing strength? 🙂
I don't know if your last statement was a compliment or not, but giving you the benefit of doubt I will go with a compliment and say thank you.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidYes, No, Yes
Bish,
I am of a the opinion you have been on this site before under another name.
I believe your keeping your rating purposely lower than your real rating I have played you 8 times losing 6 and drawing 2, which I got very fortunate in, as we both know, now everyone knows.
Of course you would love to be matched up with me, having not lost a game in 8 in a ro ...[text shortened]... nt or not, but giving you the benefit of doubt I will go with a compliment and say thank you.
-VR
Happy New Year VR - let's play chess
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@Very-Rusty saidSandbagging is deliberately resigning a game, it's not the same as timing out. People, including yourself when you timed me out had a choice, take the easy points or wait until he moves. Ghost and Stees have waited months for me to move without hitting the skull.
As I said Trevor, timing out in the games you have timed out in could be considered a version of Sandbagging. So if you stick to that policy you have, then you could also be considered a sandbagger. As I said I know differently, but if you are dropping your rating by timing out it is a type of sandbagging, there is not if's but's or maybe's unless you are sick, but who is ...[text shortened]... inst you. Now if you say you let me win, that would be sandbagging if the game was rated. 😉
-VR
I'm not sure when my last timeout loss was, but it wasn't recently. It's not the same. But like I said, do whatever do you to win your clan challenges, as many as possible.
We've had some good games it's truce, some awful games as well 😛
@Bish saidYes, I agree with this.
It seems sometimes that stating the obvious is misconstrued as an attack. That then needs to be defended.
There is no attack, and there is nothing to defend (or debate).
On a chess website where many tournaments and many clan challenges are based on current rating - if you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason.
It is within the website rules and clearly one way to finish on the top of the Net Points this year - most table.
@A-Unique-Nickname saidTrevor,
Sandbagging is deliberately resigning a game, it's not the same as timing out. People, including yourself when you timed me out had a choice, take the easy points or wait until he moves. Ghost and Stees have waited months for me to move without hitting the skull.
I'm not sure when my last timeout loss was, but it wasn't recently. It's not the same. But like I sa ...[text shortened]... allenges, as many as possible.
We've had some good games it's truce, some awful games as well 😛
When you time-out then you are doing a form of sandbagging. When you start the game you know what the time limits were which you agreed too. If your Good friends Stees & Ghost want to let you go on it that is fine and up to them. In tournament games you time out automatically in Clan games the Skull has to be hit to time you out. That my friend would be your fault not your opponents fault because you didn't move in the allotted time.
Any one can look at your time-outs and see how many times you have timed-out which in turn lowers your Rating. The way I see it that is a form of SANDBAGGING lowering your rating by timing out.
There is doubt you are the better player, I concede to that but you also make blunders the same as the rest of us do. I will jump on a blunder when I see it, I don't always see it either. I have missed mate in one move on more than one occasion due to my game load which has been pointed out to me by other players. I enjoy playing a lot of games, and will continue to do so, unless of course asked not to by my Clan Leader.
I try my hardest in every game, but sometimes I may move a bit to fast as I said that has been pointed out to me by more than one player, which is FACT!!!
-VR
@Bish saidBish,
Yes, No, Yes
Happy New Year VR - let's play chess
Excellent you got two out of 3 correct. 😉
Happy New Year to you and try people your own rating as I have said before, don't you enjoy a Challenge?
I play people higher rated, same rating, and lower rated. Not saying of course you have to do the same. 😉
All the Best in 2025!!!
-VR
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@Very-Rusty saidYou're confused. It's ok, the fact is that resigning a game that can still be won is sandbagging, you can try to deflect it whatever way you want. If you want to believe that losing a game on time is also sandbagging that's up to you, many games are lost on time, otb and here, it's like losing to checkmate. Part of the game. Resigning a won or even position is not, that's the difference.
Trevor,
When you time-out then you are doing a form of sandbagging. When you start the game you know what the time limits were which you agreed too. If your Good friends Stees & Ghost want to let you go on it that is fine and up to them. In tournament games you time out automatically in Clan games the Skull has to be hit to time you out. That my friend would b ...[text shortened]... t to fast as I said that has been pointed out to me by more than one player, which is FACT!!!
-VR
But anyway, it doesn't matter. We can agree to disagree and move on.
Trevor,
I am not confused at all. You are the New Clan Leader and seem to be the one confused. You have Won 34 games Lost 74 games in time-outs. Are you trying to get me to believe your 74 time out games didn't lower your rating???
Please don't try to insult my intelligence by telling me that I been in Clans for 16 plus years, cut the B.S.!
I am quite sure many of them had to be rated games. Again no confusion the ones that were rated could be considered and are indeed a form of SANDBAGGING.
Now we can move on, unless you still want to try and convince me that timing out in 74 games is not SANDBAGGING!!!
-VR
@Very-Rusty said'Intentionally' timing out games to lower one's rating (in order to enter rating restricted tournaments etc) is a form of sandbagging, but we both know (I'd say with certainty) that is not the reason Trev has timed out so many games, so your argument is entirely moot. - Poor time management (cough cough Trev) is not sandbagging. it is just poor time management.
Trevor,
I am not confused at all. You are the New Clan Leader and seem to be the one confused. You have Won 34 games Lost 74 games in time-outs. Are you trying to get me to believe your 74 time out games didn't lower your rating???
Please don't try to insult my intelligence by telling me that I been in Clans for 16 plus years, cut the B.S.!
I am quite sur ...[text shortened]... less you still want to try and convince me that timing out in 74 games is not SANDBAGGING!!!
-VR
In contrast, your statement above that, "I try my hardest in every game" is clearly not the case, as you have already conceded you will resign games that you are not losing, for the benefit of the clan. (So, unlike Trev, your losing of a game is very much 'intentional' and will lower your rating as a consequence).
And I get it. Such a tactic is probably necessary to top the clan leader board, which is inherently based on quantity over quality, speed, over the enjoyment of the game.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
'Intentionally' timing out games to lower one's rating (in order to enter rating restricted tournaments etc) is a form of sandbagging, but we both know (I'd say with certainty) that is not the reason Trev has timed out so many games, so your argument is entirely moot. - Poor time management (cough cough Trev) is not sandbagging. it is just poor time management.
In ...[text shortened]... er board, which is inherently based on quantity over quality, speed, over the enjoyment of the game.
You call it what you want to try and cover for your Clan Leader. We both know it is up to everyone to control their games. IF he is timing out in 74 games and many of them are Clan games, that my friend is indeed a form of SANDBAGGING. There isn't even a debate about it.
The only way it would not be sandbagging is if he was sick in hospital. No reason not be moving don't give me crap about time management as you wouldn't take that reason from anyone else.
Yes, if Some one is dragging out a Challenge won or lost just so we can't start another one I will resign my game to close that challenge so my Clan Leader can start another one. If we were able to play more than 3 Challenges with a clan then it would be a different story and no good reason to resign then. The way it stands I will not allow anyone to hold up a WON challenge or LOST challenge. I hope I make myself perfectly clear about that. The 3 challenge per clan was done for a reason, but is not required any more.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidSo you are retracting your previous statement that:
Ghost,
You call it what you want to try and cover for your Clan Leader. We both know it is up to everyone to control their games. IF he is timing out in 74 games and many of them are Clan games, that my friend is indeed a form of SANDBAGGING. There isn't even a debate about it.
The only way it would not be sandbagging is if he was sick in hospital. No reaso ...[text shortened]... ear about that. The 3 challenge per clan was done for a reason, but is not required any more.
-VR
"I try my hardest in every game."
Clearly that is not the case as you resign games you are not losing to help the clan. (And this is not just against opponents who are 'holding up the challenge' but also against opponents where the game result doesn't affect the outcome of the challenge and you just want to get on with the next challenge. - This is not your opponent's fault and I would consider resigning such a game as disrespectful, considering the time they have invested in the game. - Believe it or not, for some players it is about the enjoyment of chess).