@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
So you are retracting your previous statement that:
"I try my hardest in every game."
Clearly that is not the case as you resign games you are not losing to help the clan. (And this is not just against opponents who are 'holding up the challenge' but also against opponents where the game result doesn't affect the outcome of the challenge and you just want to ...[text shortened]... ave invested in the game. - Believe it or not, for some players it is about the enjoyment of chess).
When a player or players are holding up a clan challenge just to stop another challenge from starting I would not call that "Fair Play", indeed anyone that hold up a game purposely is not play fair we both know that. I wouldn't consider that to be FUN as you put it.
Indeed I do try my hardest in every game, but will not put up with someone intentionally holding up a Clan challenge WON OR LOST. What part of that is flying over your head that you don't understand?
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidYou appear to have accidentally not read this part of my reply:
Ghost,
When a player or players are holding up a clan challenge just to stop another challenge from starting I would not call that "Fair Play", indeed anyone that hold up a game purposely is not play fair we both know that. I wouldn't consider that to be FUN as you put it.
Indeed I do try my hardest in every game, but will not put up with someone intentionall ...[text shortened]... challenge WON OR LOST. What part of that is flying over your head that you don't understand?
-VR
'And this is not just against opponents who are 'holding up the challenge' but also against opponents where the game result doesn't affect the outcome of the challenge and you just want to get on with the next challenge. - This is not your opponent's fault and I would consider resigning such a game as disrespectful, considering the time they have invested in the game.'
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
You appear to have accidentally not read this part of my reply:
'And this is not just against opponents who are 'holding up the challenge' but also against opponents where the game result doesn't affect the outcome of the challenge and you just want to get on with the next challenge. - This is not your opponent's fault and I would consider resigning such a game as disrespectful, considering the time they have invested in the game.'
Holding up a game is a form of unfair play and you know it. I don't know why you are trying to defend it, because you are making yourself look silly in many people's eyes. You Sir, are being VERY DISRESPECTFUL trying to defend those action of people holding up games so another challenge can not be started.
I am not missing a thing, I know you love twisting words. People are also aware of that. You are beginning to lose respect from people, trust me when I tell that as I talk to and know many people on this Site.
-VR
@Very-Rusty said“'Tis better to have had and lost than never to have had at all.”
Ghost,
Holding up a game is a form of unfair play and you know it. I don't know why you are trying to defend it, because you are making yourself look silly in many people's eyes. You Sir, are being VERY DISRESPECTFUL trying to defend those action of people holding up games so another challenge can not be started.
I am not missing a thing, I know you love tw ...[text shortened]... respect from people, trust me when I tell that as I talk and know many people on this Site.
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
“'Tis better to have had and lost than never to have had at all.”
I am tired of your silly arguments and words of what you think are wisdom!
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidJust take ownership of your actions. You resign games that are not lost in order to complete more clan challenges. (And this is not just against opponents who are deliberately holding up a challenge). You are so focused on points and speed that you have lost sight of the enjoyment of the game and sold your respect down the river.
Ghost,
I am tired of your silly arguments and words of what you think are wisdom!
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
Just take ownership of your actions. You resign games that are not lost in order to complete more clan challenges. (And this is not just against opponents who are deliberately holding up a challenge). You are so focused on points and speed that you have lost sight of the enjoyment of the game and sold your respect down the river.
You sound like a person who is afraid to lose a lost argument already lost.
You think you can fool all the people with your higher than thou attitude but you are only fooling yourself, not many are buying what you are selling. TIMING out in games is indeed a way of SANDBAGGING. You know it is wrong and you know people have to keep track of their time. If it were left to you we would all play by your RULES!!!! I am sure I am not the only one SICK of your better than THOU ATTITUDE!!!
I can see why some have a problem with you and you with them now!
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidSir, you should not attempt to speak for others. You can barely speak for yourself.
Ghost,
You sound like a person who is afraid to lose a lost argument already lost.
You think you can fool all the people with your higher than thou attitude but you are only fooling yourself, not many are buying what you are selling. TIMING out in games is indeed a way of SANDBAGGING. You know it is wrong and you know people have to keep track of their time. If ...[text shortened]... r than THOU ATTITUDE!!!
I can see why some have a problem with you and you with them now!
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidSir, You are so full of yourself you don't stop to think just talk!
Sir, you should not attempt to speak for others. You can barely speak for yourself.
Stop trying to think you know everything talking above people and you might have a few more actual 'Friends'.
-VR
@A-Unique-Nickname saidTrevor,
We all know who won the race between the snail and the rabbit. Did you add on the @trevor33 account? Must be be few more timeouts 😉
I actually did go to the Trevor33 account which was banned for what ever reason. A-Unique-Nickname I believe may have carried over from the Trevor33, unless of course they are two different accounts. I have no idea why you would have gotten banned you're such a nice chap!!! 😉
-VR
@Bish saidI'm sorry to disagree with you. And I mean NO disrespect towards you. You played my guys, you have a winning record I believe against them. But that is the fun part. So please don't take this the wrong way. Everyone has an opinion, this is mine.
It seems sometimes that stating the obvious is misconstrued as an attack. That then needs to be defended.
There is no attack, and there is nothing to defend (or debate).
On a chess website where many tournaments and many clan challenges are based on current rating - if you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason.
It is within the website rules and clearly one way to finish on the top of the Net Points this year - most table.
First, Metallica did this for years. And won every year doing it. It's used as a tactic to end matches that are already won. You guys have the definition all wrong. Lets say I take my player John and I ask him to resign his game because it's the last game in the challenge and it's been going on for four to five months? He says okay and resigns the game. It finally ends. I did not do it to lower his rating. Now lets say his rating drops a bit.
It's not sandbagging if his rating dropped. It's sandbagging if I take advantage of his lower rating and place him against a lower rated player. THAT IS SANDBAGGING.
I have never done that. If one of my players rating drops they get paired against an opponent that is the same ability. I know all the players and how good they are. After 16 years of studying them, it's not hard.
I would never put a player who is really good with a lower rating against a player who is not as good with a lower rating. Never happens.
Look at all our losses. That is not sandbagging. It's also been within the rules since forever.
You are all entitled to your opinion, I have no issues with it. The FACT is it's legal, within the rules, and it's a logical thing to do when your opponent is holding up a challenge on purpose so you can't close it off to get the points and start another match.
I also like the idea of 5 matches with one clan.
So instead of complaining, how about you all just play the game. Sour grapes gets really old.
Rusty put if perfectly actually, you guys just don't like it so there is complaining.
And there is no FACT in resigning a game to end a match. Sandbagging is taking your lower rating and beating a player not as good.
I don't think any clans do that. Most of us know each other on here and our abilities, so I don't think anyone would get away with it.
@Very-Rusty saidThey don't even have the definition correct. I had challenges that went over a year and some over two years. Never again. Metallica used this as part of the blue print and it was always legal. They were not sandbagging. They were ending matches that were already won, so why wait when your opponent is dragging it out on purpose. That is a tactic to hurt the other clan. So, this is a tactic to stop that and get around it. If the match is over it does not matter. As long as the challenges are fair.
As I said Trevor, timing out in the games you have timed out in could be considered a version of Sandbagging. So if you stick to that policy you have, then you could also be considered a sandbagger. As I said I know differently, but if you are dropping your rating by timing out it is a type of sandbagging, there is not if's but's or maybe's unless you are sick, but who is ...[text shortened]... inst you. Now if you say you let me win, that would be sandbagging if the game was rated. 😉
-VR
I think you put it perfectly, far better than I did. But I'm surprised there is so much sour grapes. I also gave Trevor a ton of advice which he asked for, and I told him the same things you did or close to it. No thanks given.
And now he is all sour grapes it seems, and the others are really surprising. I expected more from them. Trevor is new but the others are just being silly and again, sour grapes. You give the guy great advice on how to help him and his team and then he argues with us over our advice.