2024 Completed

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Yes sir, I was congratulating you on being a mushroom.

The joke's moot once you have to explain it to him.

But, then again, he didn't get the Tardis joke either.

😆

@moonbus said
The joke's moot once you have to explain it to him.

But, then again, he didn't get the Tardis joke either.

😆

But still, he is a fun guy.

@moonbus said
The joke's moot once you have to explain it to him.

But, then again, he didn't get the Tardis joke either.

😆

I don't feel bad, many people don't get English Humor. (FACT)!!!! 🙂

I see nothing funny about being called a mushroom what so ever!!!

Then told I couldn't speak any French by someone who had to go look up the French word for Mushroom....Now that is Funny!!!

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
I don't feel bad, many people don't get English Humor. (FACT)!!!! 🙂

I see nothing funny about being called a mushroom what so ever!!!

Then told I couldn't speak any French by someone who had to go look up the French word for Mushroom....Now that is Funny!!!

-VR

Put a cap on it.

(Mushroom joke).

@moonbus said
I wouldn't give a fig about my rating. However, I realized long ago that resigning playable games when a Clan challenge-in-progress has already been decided is part of the strategy for concluding challenges promptly where no further gains are to be realized, in order to 'get on' with other challenges, and this cuts against my grain. I realize that no one throws a playable gam ...[text shortened]... the King's Indian playing you so many games w/ both colors (and I did not win every one, you know!).

This is my feeling also. There is no question that some clan leaders just have a knack for this stuff. They put in the time - do their homework - and every year we see them at the top.

But asking players to resign winnable games in progress for the express purpose of "helping the clan" is beyond the pale for me. Not an issue I know - since no one asked me to join 🙂

Champions yes and congratulations to Michael and VR (both of whom I certainly respect) and to everyone who participated in 2024 to finishing on top of the table. Well done.

But to imply that a clan is "better" or that one way of managing clan games is "better" does not fit the facts at hand. It is just different.

Also I would love to see a poll of every clan player at Red Hot Pawn who played a clan game in 2024 - ask them who finished at the top of the Net Points this year - most table in 2024. I wonder what percentage would know. 🤔

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Put a cap on it.

(Mushroom joke).

You minced him without mincing your words.

(Mushroom joke with double entendre pun.)

@moonbus said
I wouldn't give a fig about my rating. However, I realized long ago that resigning playable games when a Clan challenge-in-progress has already been decided is part of the strategy for concluding challenges promptly where no further gains are to be realized, in order to 'get on' with other challenges, and this cuts against my grain. I realize that no one throws a playable gam ...[text shortened]... the King's Indian playing you so many games w/ both colors (and I did not win every one, you know!).

This is how we play in our clan, come and join 🙂 It can be annoying since you can only play the same clan 3 times concurrently but I'd rather play out game and wait two months before starting another challenge than to resign a possible win.

I used to enjoy the clan leagues, then it was important to have good players, now as rusty says it's better to have a bunch of 11-1600 rated players who want to play hundreds of games to finish top. quantity over quality for sure.

@A-Unique-Nickname said
This is how we play in our clan, come and join 🙂 It can be annoying since you can only play the same clan 3 times concurrently but I'd rather play out game and wait two months before starting another challenge than to resign a possible win.

I used to enjoy the clan leagues, then it was important to have good players, now as rusty says it's better to have a bunc ...[text shortened]... 1600 rated players who want to play hundreds of games to finish top. quantity over quality for sure.

Actually What I originally told you was You needed players from 1100 to higher rated players. When you had 11 players I told you that you want to watch not to get too top heavy and to fill in with 1300-1600 players, and you could have a good to great Clan. If you think that playing out a lost challenge or a won challenge for that matter is the best way to go when you only can play 1 clan 3 at time where it use to be unlimited then you go for it, and see how you fair out my old friend. To sum it up you need players of all ratings top to bottom, in my very humble opinion. But then what do I know about winning Clan Championships! 😉
I do love playing in the Clan Challenges, just wish it was unlimited amount of times you could play a clan, that way you might have more people playing out WON or LOST challenges. I do see you point in a perfect world it would work that way.

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
Actually What I originally told you was You needed players from 1100 to higher rated players. When you had 11 players I told you that you want to watch not to get too top heavy and to fill in with 1300-1600 players, and you could have a good to great Clan. If you think that playing out a lost challenge or a won challenge for that matter is the best way to go when you only ...[text shortened]... ng out WON or LOST challenges. I do see you point in a perfect world it would work that way.

-VR

I assume it was brought in to stop something, 3 does seems like a small amount though. Maybe 5?

If you care about winning and only winning then you do what you can to win. If that involves sandbagging then ok, that's what you do. At the end of the day it's a clan on a chess website. Personally I just want to have some fun games in a team with people I like and don't really care where we finish, with the current system it's unlikely ever to be first but that's ok.

@A-Unique-Nickname said
I assume it was brought in to stop something, 3 does seems like a small amount though. Maybe 5?

If you care about winning and only winning then you do what you can to win. If that involves sandbagging then ok, that's what you do. At the end of the day it's a clan on a chess website. Personally I just want to have some fun games in a team with people I like and do ...[text shortened]... t really care where we finish, with the current system it's unlikely ever to be first but that's ok.

I don't want to start off the new year debating with you Trevor. If you close a challenge which is won or lost because it is being drug out, it is not called SANDBAGGING as you have said. When you resign games which you lose on time which you do and have done so many times, do you consider yourself sandbagging??? I am betting you don't! Others though could consider you sandbagging. I know it is for other reasons because I know. Those who don't know you would assume because of your timeouts you were sandbagging.

I would certainly be in favor of being able to play the same Clan 5 or even more times. I know the reason it was done because certain clans were just giving away point after a certain amount of moves would be made. That is the reason the 3 games per clan was implemented. I don't know as though it is needed now. Those people are gone or have changed names.

-VR

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Put a cap on it.

(Mushroom joke).

Keep your day job providing you have one! 😛

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
I don't want to start off the new year debating with you Trevor. If you close a challenge which is won or lost because it is being drug out, it is not called SANDBAGGING as you have said. When you resign games which you lose on time which you do and have done so many times, do you consider yourself sandbagging??? I am betting you don't! Others though could consider you san ...[text shortened]... ented. I don't know as though it is needed now. Those people are gone or have changed names.

-VR

If you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason. I'm not debating, it's quite simple. but, as you said it's necessary to win the clan championship.

My bad time keeping wouldn't be classed as sandbagging, however I have entered the odd tournament with a lower rating band due to the loses that I was too strong for. Much like keeping your rating down for clan challenges, it's very similar.

I wouldn't be happy to come up against a 1900 rated player in a clan challenge who's current rating is 1700, much like i'm sure the people in the 1500-1625 tournament didn't like playing me.

It is what is it. But resigning a won or even game before the game is over is sandbagging, whatever way you want to sugar coat it.

MMMmmmmm sugar coating.

@A-Unique-Nickname said
If you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason. I'm not debating, it's quite simple. but, as you said it's necessary to win the clan championship.

My bad time keeping wouldn't be classed as sandbagging, however I have entered the odd tournament with a lower rating band due to the loses that I was too strong for. Much like ke ...[text shortened]... the game is over is sandbagging, whatever way you want to sugar coat it.

MMMmmmmm sugar coating.

As I said Trevor, timing out in the games you have timed out in could be considered a version of Sandbagging. So if you stick to that policy you have, then you could also be considered a sandbagger. As I said I know differently, but if you are dropping your rating by timing out it is a type of sandbagging, there is not if's but's or maybe's unless you are sick, but who is to know that but you???

I think you would find if we could play the same clan more than 3 times it would cut down drastically on the people like myself who don't complete lost or won challenges when the opponents is dragging it out so you can't start another challenge. There are two sides to every argument.

By the way, I have played you. I am not as good or have your Chess Knowledge but have some wins against you. Now if you say you let me win, that would be sandbagging if the game was rated. 😉

-VR

@A-Unique-Nickname said
If you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason. I'm not debating, it's quite simple. but, as you said it's necessary to win the clan championship.

My bad time keeping wouldn't be classed as sandbagging, however I have entered the odd tournament with a lower rating band due to the loses that I was too strong for. Much like ke ...[text shortened]... the game is over is sandbagging, whatever way you want to sugar coat it.

MMMmmmmm sugar coating.

It seems sometimes that stating the obvious is misconstrued as an attack. That then needs to be defended.

There is no attack, and there is nothing to defend (or debate).

On a chess website where many tournaments and many clan challenges are based on current rating - if you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason.

It is within the website rules and clearly one way to finish on the top of the Net Points this year - most table.

@Bish said
It seems sometimes that stating the obvious is misconstrued as an attack. That then needs to be defended.

There is no attack, and there is nothing to defend (or debate).

On a chess website where many tournaments and many clan challenges are based on current rating - if you resign an even or winning position it's sandbagging, regardless of the reason.

It is within the website rules and clearly one way to finish on the top of the Net Points this year - most table.

If you timeout that could be considered a form of SANDBAGGING.....Do you not get it??? Your rating still drops call it time miss management if you please! 😉

Now if you are sick or hurt and hospital then you have a reason for timing out. Only you should get yourself put on VACATION, as I have done many times throughout the years!~ Knock on wood I have not timed out in 18 years, not that I said that I probably jinxed myself.

-VR