Talking to several clan leaders recently - I think there is a window for some upgrades to the current clan system. Is there any way to send a PM to all the clan leaders? It seems like the messaging system only allows for one message at a time to one person.
I would like to put a poll here - but since only 7 or 8 of us seem to read the threads, a poll for just us seems a bit quixotic.
@Russ saidCheers Russ
@Bish
You can message all clan members at once.
Look for the Message Members option.
Yes I talk to my clan. I want to talk to all the other Clan Leaders. I want to put a poll here asking about some of the changes we discussed last year. I know you took a look at my Cup ideas. Also Al had a great idea about a single Clan League.
Each clan can field a 5-player team. U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, U1200. Just one league.
I would like to put a poll here saying something to the effect of - do you think it would improve and grow the clan system if we ...
If we got a crazy number of players to say yes, maybe that pushes the needle when you are making programming changes for the next iteration. (or maybe not).
There are triple digit clan players - but a huge percentage of them never look in the clan forum. Many think it is still the dark ages of a few years back. Its not. we are all older and wiser now, and I see way less vitriol in every single clan encounter I have these days. I want to send a message to all clan leaders to say - please send a message to your whole clan asking them to please vote in the 2026 Clan System Poll.
Is there any mechanism to achieve that goal without me going to clan to clan - writing down who the leader is, and then creating an individual message for each of them?
If we had over a 100 responses and 75% were yes change is good, might that spark a possibility for a 2027 new competition? Or is there just honesty too much to do improving the mobile apps etc and I am tilting at windmills?
JC
@Bish saidAh, ok, I understand. Don't worry, a DM feature to message all other clan leaders would not be too much effort to implement.
Cheers Russ
Yes I talk to my clan. I want to talk to all the other Clan Leaders. I want to put a poll here asking about some of the changes we discussed last year. I know you took a look at my Cup ideas. Also Al had a great idea about a single Clan League.
Each clan can field a 5-player team. U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, U1200. Just one league.
I would like to put a po ...[text shortened]... here just honesty too much to do improving the mobile apps etc and I am tilting at windmills?
JC
The only danger is it becomes a tool to spam and bother people, who may not wish to receive DMs like this.
@Russ saidYes, I think that is correct. There will always be bad actors, and no good deed goes unpunished.
Ah, ok, I understand. Don't worry, a DM feature to message all other clan leaders would not be too much effort to implement.
The only danger is it becomes a tool to spam and bother people, who may not wish to receive DMs like this.
How about a partnership, I have tried to be a good partner to the site.
If I put a poll here, would you send a single message to all the current clan leaders saying there is a new poll in the clan forum, with the intention of all clan members to be able to vote as we look together at the future of the clan feature? Ask them to forward the information about a new poll to all their clan members.
No promises implied or made. However like some us, maybe you too are curious and would like to get a site-wide pulse of the current clan feature.
That is probably a better solution to the "problem" I am describing.
@Bish saidI think you'd have to provide more information for the poll. I have no idea what c Clan Cup is or what a Single Clan league is. (Isn't that what we have? Or are you referring to belonging to a single clan? If the latter, then that would be a rule change not a league, wouldn't it?) Most of what I read on this forum references more rule changes than anything else. We could solve a lot of problems in my opinion with three changes: 1) a rating for just clan games, 2) players belong to only one clan, and 3) reduce maximum number of players in a clan to 10.
This is the poll I would create (or you could)
Question:
Which of the following best reflects your view on the future of the clan system?
Choices:
Add both a Clan Cup and a Single Clan League
Add a Clan Cup only
Add a Single Clan League only
Keep the current clan system as it is
Unsure / no opinion
@lstcyr saidCheers lstcyr
I think you'd have to provide more information for the poll. I have no idea what c Clan Cup is or what a Single Clan league is. (Isn't that what we have? Or are you referring to belonging to a single clan? If the latter, then that would be a rule change not a league, wouldn't it?) Most of what I read on this forum references more rule changes than anything else. We could solve ...[text shortened]... games, 2) players belong to only one clan, and 3) reduce maximum number of players in a clan to 10.
I have little use for the Net Points this year - most table.
In discussions over the last several years with other clan members and clan leaders - no one has been able to come up with a single game or sports league or table anywhere in the world where the winner at the end of the season plays more games than the rest of the competition. Not one. Ever.
However there is history and culture here at Red Hot Pawn and seemingly little enthusiasm to alter the traditional rules. So ...
*Clan Cup*
Last year at this time, I proposed we create a Clan Cup. A separate competition similar to a League Cup or FA Cup maybe. There is a thread or two in the Clan Forum discussing the idea. We would leave the Net Points this year - most table alone. However to add some fun and energy to the clan feature, any and all clans could also compete for the Clan Cup.
There would be some new Cup rules and restrictions, based on playing all other clans in the Cup table. We would want to include both 3/7 and 7/7 games as some clans prefer the latter.
But the simplistic bottom line is - starting at the beginning of the new year, the website would count games set up by clan leaders and played by clans as we do now, however we would track all those same games in both in the Net Points this year - most table, and the Clan Cup table. The Clan Cup table does not care about matches. It just counts wins and losses and draws in clan games
When your clan hits a predetermined number of games in the new year - say 800, we stop counting any other games in the Clan Cup table.
Some clans may hit 800 games in April. Some July, Some not until December. Doesn't matter. Everyone counts the first 800 games they play (with some restrictions) . At the end of the calendar year, whoever is in first place wins the Cup.
1 point for a clan game win, 1/2 point for a draw. Everyone plays the same amount of Cup games.
After the first 800 games, all the rest of your clan games next year only count towards the Net Points this year - most table as usual. That will never change.
*Clan League*
The clan system used to have a separate competition years ago - Clan Leagues. There was a U1200 League I think, and a U1400 League. Clans could enter players in the Clan Leagues - separate from the normal matches.
There was a proposal last year to bring back a single clan league. Separate games scheduled and tracked by the site. The number of league games would depend on how many clans entered a team.
If you wanted to enter a team - you would get five of your clan members to volunteer. Each clan team would have 5 boards, U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, U1200. All U1400s only play the other U1400s. Same with the other boards. Some of us did this in high school - a school team with 5 boards.
Each clan has a 5-player team. My rating is 1500 - so on my team I could play on the U2000, U1800, or U1600 board depending on who else signed up. I would not be eligible to play on the U1400 or U1200 board.
The site would set up rules say that no matter how many clans a player belongs to - each player can only represent one clan in the clan leagues. Just like now, where you cannot set up a clan match against one of your own players in another clan.
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I am not proposing that either of these ideas are perfect. I am not proposing that any clan must compete in either the Cup or the League.
What I am saying is that if we added some additional clan competitions - it would provide a jolt of energy to the clan feature. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.
If every game of the first 800 mattered - every game would be played to their conclusion. If we compelled all Clan Cup clans to play against each other in order to get to 800 (say maybe you have to play all other clans 40 games or something), then even the hardest of clan leaders to work with would find a way to compromise - as they also want to get to the 40 games played with you.
We can find a hundred reasons why all change is always bad and it will never work. Or we can all get together and make it work. Its up to us.
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@Bish saidI like the idea of a "Clan Cup".
Cheers lstcyr
I have little use for the Net Points this year - most table.
In discussions over the last several years with other clan members and clan leaders - no one has been able to come up with a single game or sports league or table anywhere in the world where the winner at the end of the season plays more games than the rest of the competition. Not one. Ever.
H ...[text shortened]... nge is always bad and it will never work. Or we can all get together and make it work. Its up to us.
If the NBA can do it, it might be worth looking into.
Of course this is separate from the Championship. Different rules.
Not so sure about the Clan Leagues thing. Need more info.
@Bish saidHey Bish how are you? Could you explain in detail about the five player team but one league? My team is built as a whole, I am not heavy in any area. So if I had to play my top five players we would get killed.
Cheers Russ
Yes I talk to my clan. I want to talk to all the other Clan Leaders. I want to put a poll here asking about some of the changes we discussed last year. I know you took a look at my Cup ideas. Also Al had a great idea about a single Clan League.
Each clan can field a 5-player team. U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, U1200. Just one league.
I would like to put a po ...[text shortened]... here just honesty too much to do improving the mobile apps etc and I am tilting at windmills?
JC
Even our bottom third are good but they are at their real rating. I come across a ton of players at the lower ratings who are 300 points to low. Most likely from playing a ton of games and going up and down. But again we would lose.
I am not saying I'm against it. I'm all for change if it is fair for all. Plus change might be nice.
Could you explain it to me? Dumb it down for me. lol Please when you have time.
Michael
@Michael-Martin saidCheers Michael
Hey Bish how are you? Could you explain in detail about the five player team but one league? My team is built as a whole, I am not heavy in any area. So if I had to play my top five players we would get killed.
Even our bottom third are good but they are at their real rating. I come across a ton of players at the lower ratings who are 300 points to low. Most ...[text shortened]... ce.
Could you explain it to me? Dumb it down for me. lol Please when you have time.
Michael
I hope you and the family are well.
Each clan would have 5 volunteers play in the Clan League - if the clan was interested. Its just more games. It has nothing to do with the table. It would mean a few more game for those 5 players only.
There are 5 boards - U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, U1200
Anyone in your clan could play on the U2000 board - everyone in your clan in Under 2000 in rating. Lets say Kunsoo volunteered.
Anyone in your clan could play on the U1800 board - everyone in your clan in Under 1800 in rating. Lets say crabefarci volunteered.
Many in your clan could play on the U1600 board. Lets say RunninScared volunteered. His rating is Under 1600 - so he qualifies.
Many in your clan could play on the U1400 board. Lets say happybvr volunteered. His rating is Under 1400 - so he qualifies.
A few in your clan could play on the U1200 board. Lets say TemplarExemplar volunteered. His rating is Under 1200 - so he qualifies.
Breaking Bad Clan - Clan League Team for Season 1
U2000 - Kunsoo
U1800 - crabefarci
U1600 - RunninScared
U1400 - happybvr
U1200 - TemplarExemplar
Kunsoo would play x number of league games - not sure yet - all of his opponents would be under 2000 in rating.
crabefarci would play x number of league games - not sure yet, but the same amount - all of his opponents would be under 1800 in rating.
RunninScared would play x number of league games - all of his opponents would be under 1600 in rating.
happybvr would play x number of league games - all of his opponents would be under 1400 in rating.
TemplarExemplar would play x number of league games - all of his opponents would be under 1200 in rating.
One variable is how we determine "rating for qualification". It is rating today?
Or 90 days? 1 Year? 5 Years? All those numbers are in our profiles.
It would be up to the Clan leaders to decide. What seems fair? 1 year? Whatever the clan leaders decide - that would just be programmed into the algorithm by the site overlords. The system won't allow a clan to accidently enter an ineligible player.
If the clan leaders wanted to limit the number of games per clan league season, we might need to make two divisions - or maybe three. But that is a discussion for another day. The question today is - are clans interested in maybe another competition in 2027, to go along with the season long title.