suggestions for clan govenance

Originally posted by Mctayto
As long as your list has methods to prevent Metallica sandbagging and throwing games in won challenges then count me in 😉

We have already counted you in.
We can pull up dozens of games that you have resigned from even and won positions.

And that refers to clans games against Easy Riders.

Now go sit in the corner !!

Originally posted by mghrn55
While the suggestions are well intentioned, they do not address challenges being thrown.

The focus has been on the perceived notion of sandbagging by certain individuals.

There has been no suggestions on how to deal with some clans throwing challenge points at other clans.

I offered something that has not been adopted to your list.

That being ...[text shortened]...
Sandbagging has become the poster child of grievance mongering by the malcontents on this site.

Have you not read my suggestions ?
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games

Originally posted by padger
Have you not read my suggestions ?
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games

I like your suggestion of clans only getting points from other clans on the same page.

Originally posted by my2sons
I like your suggestion of clans only getting points from other clans on the same page.

i was thinking only clans that have a plus net points can play other clans who have a net plus, that will stop collusion,

Originally posted by padger
Have you not read my suggestions ?
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games

I have.
That suggestion will stifle the number of challenges created.

I have stated at the outset at least 2 years ago that the clan system is an informal feature.

Attempts to change it with the suggestions put forth will completely change the feature to something else.

What do we want this to become ?

The change (200 rating point window) put in this year, which was a minor change from an IT perspective, has already altered the ease of use of this feature.

Any clan leader will tell you how difficult it is to set challenges now.
Shrinking this to 100 points will effectively shut down the feature.

Keeping this informal will simply require some sort of referee system to handle transgressions of the honor system that this feature runs on.

Site administration has to make that call.

Are they willing to spend the money required for the changes suggested ?
Or are they willing to use staff resources to penalize unsportsmanlike behavior by certain clans ?
They have a referee system in place on the forums as many members that have received a forum ban can attest to.

That's what it comes down to.

Originally posted by mghrn55
I have.
That suggestion will stifle the number of challenges created.

I have stated at the outset at least 2 years ago that the clan system is an informal feature.

Attempts to change it with the suggestions put forth will completely change the feature to something else.

What do we want this to become ?

The change (200 rating point window) put ...[text shortened]... s as many members that have received a forum ban can attest to.

That's what it comes down to.

I have no problem with the 100 point difference
In fact I do it all the time and have had no trouble sorting challenges
As for it being a social thing
You only have to look at the posts to see this no longer the case
It has become a power thing
Who finishes the year at the top and has been for quite some time now
It just needs regulating

The idea of the same side is similar to the challenge in a ladder. I think a clan should challenge 10 Clans in his surrounding. When he is the top 10 under him. When he is 6th placed 5 above and 5 behind him and so on ...

Originally posted by Johannes Goethe
The idea of the same side is similar to the challenge in a ladder. I think a clan should challenge 10 Clans in his surrounding. When he is the top 10 under him. When he is 6th placed 5 above and 5 behind him and so on ...

I like this suggestion
basing clan challenges with rules similar to ladder games has merit
it would solve many of the problems with the clan system as it is now

edit: also eliminating the yearly clan ladder and having a continuous ladder similar to the ladder game structure

Originally posted by lemondrop
I like this suggestion
basing clan challenges with rules similar to ladder games has merit
it would solve many of the problems with the clan system as it is now

edit: also eliminating the yearly clan ladder and having a continuous ladder similar to the ladder game structure

Maiden Gertrude,
Personally, if not fixed I don't see the clan challenges lasting much longer. A lot of talk and suggestions, but no action being taken. It may die a slow death.

-VR

Originally posted by padger
I have no problem with the 100 point difference
In fact I do it all the time and have had no trouble sorting challenges
As for it being a social thing
You only have to look at the posts to see this no longer the case
It has become a power thing
Who finishes the year at the top and has been for quite some time now
It just needs regulating

The underlying problem with the points difference system for challenge match ups is that it's based on current rating which is the one the sandbaggers can easily manipulate.
The current rating could be scrapped and replaced with a 3 month rating .Therefore your 3 month rating stays the same for 3 months and is then recalculated automatically by the system 4 times a year.
This should reduce the sandbagging effect.
The 200 points thing could be calculated on the 3 month rating.

Originally posted by venda
The underlying problem with the points difference system for challenge match ups is that it's based on current rating which is the one the sandbaggers can easily manipulate.
The current rating could be scrapped and replaced with a 3 month rating .Therefore your 3 month rating [b]stays the same for 3 months and is then recalculated automatically by the sys ...[text shortened]... reduce the sandbagging effect.
The 200 points thing could be calculated on the 3 month rating.[/b]

Venda,
As we have witnessed this year, it is very easy to manipulate the system. Look what "Easy Riders", Breaking bad, anti-metallica, and arrow have accomplished. The three last teams have been their feeders all year.

-VR

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Maiden Gertrude,
Personally, if not fixed I don't see the clan challenges lasting much longer. A lot of talk and suggestions, but no action being taken. It may die a slow death.

-VR

obviously we are hoping for a fix
there doesn't have to be a massive overhaul
a little fix here
a little fix there
it can be done I think

Originally posted by lemondrop
obviously we are hoping for a fix
there doesn't have to be a massive overhaul
a little fix here
a little fix there
it can be done I think

Maiden Gertrude,
I hope you are right, but don't think a little fix here and there is going to do the trick. I believe there has to be a major over haul done. There have however been some very good suggestions which have been made, that could possibly work. Trick is trying to get everyone to agree and on the same page.

-VR

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Maiden Gertrude,
I hope you are right, but don't think a little fix here and there is going to do the trick. I believe there has to be a major over haul done. There have however been some very good suggestions which have been made, that could possibly work. Trick is trying to get everyone to agree and on the same page.

-VR

Trouble is, when it is all said and done, I don't think Russ gives a rats ass about the clan system. The way the Sleazy Riders continues to load up clan challenges with their 3 sisters, I see their collusion going on through 2017 and beyond.

Originally posted by my2sons
Trouble is, when it is all said and done, I don't think Russ gives a rats ass about the clan system. The way the Sleazy Riders continues to load up clan challenges with their 3 sisters, I see their collusion going on through 2017 and beyond.

I agree with you. That is the reason I will not be re-newing my Subscription as nothing has been done. Far as I am concerned the clan challenges are ruined beyond repair with the inaction of the admins who run the site.

-VR