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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    06 Nov '08 12:17
    Do you consider yourself Goth?

    If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

    I'm trying to understand.

    Thanks,
    -S-
  2. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    06 Nov '08 14:33
    C'mon, I know you're out there, darkos.
  3. 06 Nov '08 15:44
    Originally posted by Seitse
    C'mon, I know you're out there, darkos.
    Depressed and miserable, man, wanna kill myself.
  4. Standard member ChronicLeaky
    Don't Fear Me
    06 Nov '08 17:15
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Do you consider yourself Goth?

    If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

    I'm trying to understand.

    Thanks,
    -S-
    Subcultures are isomorphic; self-identifying as a goth is another way of using an image to express exactly nothing.
  5. 07 Nov '08 01:36
    I'm EMO, not GOTH....now go away so I can cut myself......again.....
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Just another day
    09 Nov '08 05:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Do you consider yourself Goth?

    If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

    I'm trying to understand.

    Thanks,
    -S-
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  7. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    10 Nov '08 03:58
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Do you consider yourself Goth?

    If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

    I'm trying to understand.

    Thanks,
    -S-
    My daughter in law is from Gothenburg, is that close?
  8. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    10 Nov '08 16:44
    Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
    Subcultures are isomorphic
    Never thought about it that way but you're right. 😲 😵
  9. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    10 Nov '08 16:51
    Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
    Subcultures are isomorphic; self-identifying as a goth is another way of using an image to express exactly nothing.
    Yeah, ok, thanks. Do you have something of value regarding my question or you just wanted to say something that sounded smart?

    NEXT!
  10. Standard member ChronicLeaky
    Don't Fear Me
    10 Nov '08 16:53
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Never thought about it that way but you're right. 😲 😵
    That's the first of my misanthropic social theories to be taken seriously!
  11. Standard member ChronicLeaky
    Don't Fear Me
    10 Nov '08 16:56
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Yeah, ok, thanks. Do you have something of value regarding my question or you just wanted to say something that sounded smart?

    NEXT!
    I was just trying to save you a whole bunch of "Vee believe in nussing" crap from someone who thinks xyr corpse paint* is a coherent expression of anything.

    *Substitute any other subcultural trapping and the isomorphism emerges.
  12. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    10 Nov '08 17:48
    Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
    I was just trying to save you a whole bunch of "Vee believe in nussing" crap from someone who thinks xyr corpse paint* is a coherent expression of anything.

    *Substitute any other subcultural trapping and the isomorphism emerges.
    It's not that simple. Usually there's some vague ideological association that accompanies the expressionist side of it. It might probably be an incoherent one, but that's beside the point. The vague ideological traits still differentiate a goth from, say, a bling-bling rapper.

    The 'corpse paint' is just a symbol and therefore has the functions that symbols (flags, hymns, etc.) do. The most clear ones are identification and entrenchment (by cleaving physically apparent dividing lines and not just ideological ones).
  13. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    10 Nov '08 18:05
    Originally posted by Palynka
    The vague ideological traits still differentiate a goth from, say, a bling-bling rapper.
    The existence of a continuous function that maps ideology from ideology from different subcultures always exist and is a continuous one. So an isomorphism is always possible.

    If you want I can even give you a constructive proof of that fact. 😵
  14. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    10 Nov '08 18:15
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    The existence of a continuous function that maps ideology from ideology from different subcultures always exist and is a continuous one. So an isomorphism is always possible.

    If you want I can even give you a constructive proof of that fact. 😵
    Go ahead then, give us the function and the proof.
  15. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    10 Nov '08 19:09
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Go ahead then, give us the function and the proof.
    I was being sarcastic (notice the smiley), but here goes a sketch of what things might look like if I thought such endeavor could be taken seriously .

    Bling bling rapper
    Ostentation of wealth
    Gangsta/Thug/Maffioso mentality
    Womanizing ways
    Bravado
    Flamboyant clothes
    ...

    Goth
    Despise for material matters
    Melancholic mood
    A more androgynous behaviour
    Sensitivity is an asset
    Dark and somber clothing
    ...

    After this one-to-one correspondence a continuous transformation can be done for these list items. For instance sensitivity can be seen as bravado after passing an attenuator (which is of course very well described by a continuous function). The rest of the items are left as an exercise for the reader. 😵

    Seriously though:Chronic's tongue in cheek post was read by me like this. Subcultures emerge as a way of rebellion against mainstream culture wrongs as perceived by a particular group. They all strive to be different and unique but in the end of the day different subcultures always appear as an effect of an overpowering, snide, fascist (and whatever more negative terms you can think of), society. How they choose to rebel is different form one subculture to another but analogues aren't hard to make if one wants to.


    A simplistic and simplifying viewpoint, I know but like I said: this is more tongue in cheek than anything.