Any GOTH people here at RHP?

Do you consider yourself Goth?

If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

I'm trying to understand.

Thanks,
-S-

C'mon, I know you're out there, darkos.

Originally posted by Seitse
C'mon, I know you're out there, darkos.

Depressed and miserable, man, wanna kill myself.

Originally posted by Seitse
Do you consider yourself Goth?

If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

I'm trying to understand.

Thanks,
-S-

Subcultures are isomorphic; self-identifying as a goth is another way of using an image to express exactly nothing.

I'm EMO, not GOTH....now go away so I can cut myself......again.....

Originally posted by Seitse
Do you consider yourself Goth?

If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

I'm trying to understand.

Thanks,
-S-

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Originally posted by Seitse
Do you consider yourself Goth?

If so, could you explain who are you, what are you, why do you are the way you are, what do you like, why, and with whom?

I'm trying to understand.

Thanks,
-S-

My daughter in law is from Gothenburg, is that close?

Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
Subcultures are isomorphic

Never thought about it that way but you're right. 😲 😵

Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
Subcultures are isomorphic; self-identifying as a goth is another way of using an image to express exactly nothing.

Yeah, ok, thanks. Do you have something of value regarding my question or you just wanted to say something that sounded smart?

NEXT!

Originally posted by adam warlock
Never thought about it that way but you're right. 😲 😵

That's the first of my misanthropic social theories to be taken seriously!

Originally posted by Seitse
Yeah, ok, thanks. Do you have something of value regarding my question or you just wanted to say something that sounded smart?

NEXT!

I was just trying to save you a whole bunch of "Vee believe in nussing" crap from someone who thinks xyr corpse paint* is a coherent expression of anything.

*Substitute any other subcultural trapping and the isomorphism emerges.

Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
I was just trying to save you a whole bunch of "Vee believe in nussing" crap from someone who thinks xyr corpse paint* is a coherent expression of anything.

*Substitute any other subcultural trapping and the isomorphism emerges.

It's not that simple. Usually there's some vague ideological association that accompanies the expressionist side of it. It might probably be an incoherent one, but that's beside the point. The vague ideological traits still differentiate a goth from, say, a bling-bling rapper.

The 'corpse paint' is just a symbol and therefore has the functions that symbols (flags, hymns, etc.) do. The most clear ones are identification and entrenchment (by cleaving physically apparent dividing lines and not just ideological ones).

Originally posted by Palynka
The vague ideological traits still differentiate a goth from, say, a bling-bling rapper.

The existence of a continuous function that maps ideology from ideology from different subcultures always exist and is a continuous one. So an isomorphism is always possible.

If you want I can even give you a constructive proof of that fact. 😵

Originally posted by adam warlock
The existence of a continuous function that maps ideology from ideology from different subcultures always exist and is a continuous one. So an isomorphism is always possible.

If you want I can even give you a constructive proof of that fact. 😵

Go ahead then, give us the function and the proof.

Originally posted by Palynka
Go ahead then, give us the function and the proof.

I was being sarcastic (notice the smiley), but here goes a sketch of what things might look like if I thought such endeavor could be taken seriously .

Bling bling rapper
Ostentation of wealth
Gangsta/Thug/Maffioso mentality
Womanizing ways
Bravado
Flamboyant clothes
...

Goth
Despise for material matters
Melancholic mood
A more androgynous behaviour
Sensitivity is an asset
Dark and somber clothing
...

After this one-to-one correspondence a continuous transformation can be done for these list items. For instance sensitivity can be seen as bravado after passing an attenuator (which is of course very well described by a continuous function). The rest of the items are left as an exercise for the reader. 😵

Seriously though:Chronic's tongue in cheek post was read by me like this. Subcultures emerge as a way of rebellion against mainstream culture wrongs as perceived by a particular group. They all strive to be different and unique but in the end of the day different subcultures always appear as an effect of an overpowering, snide, fascist (and whatever more negative terms you can think of), society. How they choose to rebel is different form one subculture to another but analogues aren't hard to make if one wants to.


A simplistic and simplifying viewpoint, I know but like I said: this is more tongue in cheek than anything.