Originally posted by Shallow Blue
I'll allow that he isn't always the nicest of people (but then, neither was the greatest composer ever - J.S. Bach had some temper!), but not for that reason.
Scarborough fair is not owned by either Jansch or Carthy. It's much, much older than them. If anyone should be credited, it's the English people as a whole - no, make that the British people as a Jansch's, but on the album the real writer is explicitly named as Davey Graham.
There are two angies, Davy/Bert Angie and the Stone's Anji. The thing about Davy Graham, I have a buddy in Tel Aviv, Shay Tochner, a great guitarist in his own right, told me Graham stole Angie from a buddy of his or his brother, forget which now. But he claims Davy Graham did not write Angie. If you ever heard Davy's version, it is much truncated, only a shadow of Bert Jansch's version. So it was Jansch's version that Simon stole. He attempted to play it but was not up to that tune, which is way beyond most guitar players of any level. Bert's version was THE version. All the rest are sorry imitations and on a whole other level than Davy's version.
I tend to believe Shay's story because listening close to Davy's version, it just does not sound like his style, especially the truncated version he plays. Shay's story has the ring of truth to it.
In any event, Bert Jansch's version of Angie is THE definitive version, no doubt about that.
About Scarborough Fair, it was their arrangement Simon stole, he added some more instruments like harpsichord and such but it is essentially just as Martin Carthy and the Waterson's played it.
Of course Scarborough fair is an ancient tune but don't forget, Martin and Bert are both British so it is their county's tune.
Have you ever listened to Martin Carthy or his daughter, Eliza Carthy? She has taken the folk community by storm with her raspy breathy sexy as hell voice!
And she is a hell of a fiddler. She had a playing partner, a girl fiddler and singer and they sang this song, the Bonnie Light horsman, and then did this fiddle duet at the end of the song, great stuff!