Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i watched it. Did Ludwig really hire players to play his pieces, i thought all the scores were composed on piano? I suppose it makes sense though if you really want to hear the ambience of that particular instrument you are writing for rather than being content with the melody. It seems that he was concerned with great depth, with meaning and real ...[text shortened]... by comparison seems to have been able to create much more naturally. Is that fair thing to say?
The players were only in Beethoven's head. He never got along with anybody well enough to tolerate players. Never composed at the piano. No great composer did except perhaps Wagner. Beethoven was pretty deaf by then. Always struggled to write. This titanic struggle would cause him to go half mad. Friends would find him disheveled, unwashed, chamber potty unclean, a mad blank stare on his face, unshaven, would not eat. Beethoven took years to write, started off with notes jotted down on scrap paper or teeny notebooks, germinated all sorts of great ideas which came to fruition only later. For example, the 9th started as a sketch in 1805, did not get published until 1824. It took six symphonies, and a choral piece with piano and orchestra before he finally knew how to bring forth the sketch as the glorious 9th, a towering work unlike anything heard before.
Indeed Mozart, by contrast, cooked up entire works in the "noodle" then merely wrote these down. Mozart wrote his great works at a pool table while shooting pool. Never made mistakes, smudges, erasures. Whereas Beethoven's were full of scratches, erasures, mistakes, corrections. A copyist's nightmare. I thought this short film really captured the idea of Beethoven struggling to create. His first six quartets were Mozartean in spirit. From #'s 7 & 8 every single one is a breakaway from classical and firmly into modernity, each a jewel and grounbreaking in breadth and creativity. #8, Razumovsky #2, Opus 59 is incredible! I posted a guitar quartet version of it (1st movement). Incredibly, Mozart's painful works like his piano concerto#24 in C minor, contains erasures, smudges, etc. It is a dramatic work borne of internal pain.