Originally posted by KazetNagorraGovernment schools churn out good little government clones. The more federal influence in public schools, the poorer the performance has been in basic content, reading and math.
How do you explain the apparent correlation between the porportion of the population that has a basic education in US states and voting patterns?
People being churned out of the public universities in America are largely unquestioning clones. They find their way through the university system by conformity, that is seeing things as their professor does, and they've been well trained for that in the K-12 system.
It probably is as Eladar suggests that some curricula are more heavily influenced by propaganda than others. But there are enough core courses in a bachelor's degree that the recipient has been bombarded with lots of brain garbage by the time of graduation, and of all departments, the ones specializing in education, that is training K-12 teachers are the worst, populated by the lowest GPA and SAT scores in most schools.
In short, the least intellectual, and least critical, are those being indoctrinated to teach children in the public schools.
Originally posted by normbenignHow does not getting a bachelor's degree enhance one's critical thinking?
Government schools churn out good little government clones. The more federal influence in public schools, the poorer the performance has been in basic content, reading and math.
People being churned out of the public universities in America are largely unquestioning clones. They find their way through the university system by conformity, that is seei ...[text shortened]... al, and least critical, are those being indoctrinated to teach children in the public schools.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraHow does getting a bachelor's degree do so. In many soft curricula, conformity assures passing. One of those soft curricula is teaching.
How does not getting a bachelor's degree enhance one's critical thinking?
People without a degree may be just as lacking, but not necessarily more so. People in the public sector, in small businesses must develop critical thinking skills or lose money. Markets are unforgiving of mistakes. Government bureaucrats, especially those in education are seldom held responsible for their mistakes.
Originally posted by normbenignWe are required to take English 103 (Critical Thinking) in which we are required to consider the motives of the people who produce media and in which we are introduced to standard tricks of logic and propaganda which are used on a regular basis. This allows us to refute such arguments and then mock our opponents for being pendejos to the amusement of all.
How does getting a bachelor's degree do so. In many soft curricula, conformity assures passing. One of those soft curricula is teaching.
People without a degree may be just as lacking, but not necessarily more so. People in the public sector, in small businesses must develop critical thinking skills or lose money. Markets are unforgiving of mista ...[text shortened]... ment bureaucrats, especially those in education are seldom held responsible for their mistakes.
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All I know is, you Democrats out there are in heap big trouble.
When the 11 to 20 million illegals in the USA are granted amnesty, we ALL know that they're going to vote Republican...what with being so uneducated and all.
You guys have to realize there's no way such uneducated people would ever vote Democrat in any kind of numbers.
And the fact that Democrats are pushing for amnesty for these people... well, they're just signing their own death warrant (politically speaking, of course).
Originally posted by KunsooYou have expressed here the attitude which loses votes in less educated states. You belittle the knowledge that working class people have gained throughout their lives.
Actually, nobody said that. We're just discussing some data which correlates more effective education with liberal voting patterns. Correlation is not necessarily causation, and as someone pointed out, we aren't talking about intelligence necessarily.
There are plenty of smart and dumb people on each side of any political issue, and also it's possible th ...[text shortened]... eral intellectual condescension has probably given conservatives more than a few key wins.
Originally posted by normbenignCan you be more specific about how "soft curricula" enhance conformism, and about how being a conformist makes one more likely to vote Democrat? Some research, perhaps?
How does getting a bachelor's degree do so. In many soft curricula, conformity assures passing. One of those soft curricula is teaching.
People without a degree may be just as lacking, but not necessarily more so. People in the public sector, in small businesses must develop critical thinking skills or lose money. Markets are unforgiving of mista ...[text shortened]... ment bureaucrats, especially those in education are seldom held responsible for their mistakes.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe schools brainwash people. Then the schools that do the brainwashing skew IQ results to make their kids seem smarter to further the liberal agenda. Pretty simple really.
Can you be more specific about how "soft curricula" enhance conformism, and about how being a conformist makes one more likely to vote Democrat? Some research, perhaps?
Originally posted by joe beyserI guess the schools were too busy brainwashing you to teach you the meaning of the words "specific" or "research".
The schools brainwash people. Then the schools that do the brainwashing skew IQ results to make their kids seem smarter to further the liberal agenda. Pretty simple really.
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Originally posted by joe beyserI wonder if it equally about raw intelligence independent of education that leads people to be progressive. Brighter, smarter in a sense of a quick, perceptive mind that is adaptable to change and willing to change in view of new data, for example.
The schools brainwash people. Then the schools that do the brainwashing skew IQ results to make their kids seem smarter to further the liberal agenda. Pretty simple really.
Also, as for the education, is it less about liberal brainwashing, and more simply about being informed, whether on geography, civilizations, math, science, etc?
For example, if you are taught in school that the earth is round and not flat, then you are more likely to reject the fundamentalist religious role-model in your life telling you about the 4-corners of the earth and that the earth is flat (especially if you have a higher IQ). Is that liberal-brainwashing?
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Originally posted by moon1969The curricula has changed from reading, writing, and arithmetic to gun control, global warming, and gay is okay. They also get one hellova dose of you know more than your parents and snitch training.
I wonder if it equally about raw intelligence independent of education that leads people to be progressive. Brighter, smarter in a sense of a quick, perceptive mind that is adaptable to change and willing to change in view of new data, for example.
Also, as for the education, is it less about liberal brainwashing, and more simply about being informed, w ...[text shortened]... and that the earth is flat (especially if you have a higher IQ). Is that liberal-brainwashing?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI discovered a wonderful children's book by Kris Langman, Logic to the Rescue. Probably more in this children's story than in most university critical thinking classes.
We are required to take English 103 (Critical Thinking) in which we are required to consider the motives of the people who produce media and in which we are introduced to standard tricks of logic and propaganda which are used on a regular basis. This allows us to refute such arguments and then mock our opponents for being pendejos to the amusement of all.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra"Can you be more specific about how "soft curricula" enhance conformism, and about how being a conformist makes one more likely to vote Democrat?"
Can you be more specific about how "soft curricula" enhance conformism, and about how being a conformist makes one more likely to vote Democrat? Some research, perhaps?
First let me clear the air, that I did not say or imply that conformity makes one vote one way or the other. Conformity gets one through the education system, whether public k-12, community college, undergraduate or post grad programs.
Hard curricula would include mathematics, sciences like chemistry or physics, engineering, etc.
Soft curricula would include teaching, women's studies, gay studies, social studies, black studies. Look at the catalog where you teach, and I suspect you'll readily identify way over half the courses offered as "soft", many indoctrination which encourage conformity. Whether that translates into voters of a particular type or not is another question.
Walter Williams has written extensively on the nature of teachers colleges in American Universities, and that they tend to attract those who have failed more demanding curricula. Clearly this is an area where I would hope to attract more critical thinkers, and fewer conformists.