@shavixmir saidHow many people would have died if chickenpox was novel? There would be many more dead people than we see with COVID.
Seriously. Fck off.
You are so void of reality even quantum gravity scientists doubt your bloody existence.
Of course this would require having actual knowledge about viruses and not simply blind belief in what your betters tell you to believe.
@eladar saidIt would take 50+ pre-vaccination years of chicken pox to equal the deaths from COVID in the last 25 days (both US figures).
How many people would have died if chickenpox was novel? There would be many more dead people than we see with COVID.
Of course this would require having actual knowledge about viruses and not simply blind belief in what your betters tell you to believe.
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@no1marauder saidAs I said, if it were a new virus exposed to the world. No vaccine in place. Nobody with immunity. Think about that for a bit and see if you can figure out why that makes your comment irrelevant.
It would take 50+ pre-vaccination years of chicken pox to equal the deaths from COVID in the last 25 days (both US figures).
The traditional method of dealing with chickenpox would work with COVID as well. Covid would be MUCH less irritating than chickenpox for a 4 year old.
Yes, chickenpox would kill a child who has an exceptionally weak immune system. Deaths due occur just like some kids being killed getting the flu.
How dare I say that the flu kills a small number of kids like covid? It is a fact.
@eladar saidEladar: Fact
As I said, if it were a new virus exposed to the world. No vaccine in place. Nobody with immunity. Think about that for a bit and see if you can figure out why that makes your comment irrelevant.
The traditional method of dealing with chickenpox would work with COVID as well. Covid would be MUCH less irritating than chickenpox for a 4 year old.
Yes, chickenpox would kil ...[text shortened]... tting the flu.
How dare I say that the flu kills a small number of kids like covid? It is a fact.
Chickenpox is worse than COVID.
no1: Fact.
That is BS.
The figures put the lie to such an absurd claim.
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@eladar said
Fact
Chickenpox is worse than COVID.
In the prevaccine era, approximately 10,500 persons with varicella required hospitalization each year. Hospitalization rates were approximately 1 to 2 per 1,000 cases among healthy children and 14 per 1,000 cases among adults. The fatality rate for varicella was approximately 1 per 100,000 cases among children age 1 through 14 years, 6 per 100,000 cases among persons age 15 through 19 years, and 21 per 100,000 cases among adults.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html
The hospitalization numbers may be close, but the fatality numbers for COVID are much worse than that, especially when you're measuring per case, not per infection (which you would do for an apples to apples comparison).
@sh76 saidI said novel. Tell me, was chickpox a novel virus in the US 50 years ago?
[quote]In the prevaccine era, approximately 10,500 persons with varicella required hospitalization each year. Hospitalization rates were approximately 1 to 2 per 1,000 cases among healthy children and 14 per 1,000 cases among adults. The fatality rate for varicella was approximately 1 per 100,000 cases among children age 1 through 14 years, 6 per 100,000 cases among persons age ...[text shortened]... ou're measuring per case, not per infection (which you would do for an apples to apples comparison).
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@no1marauder saidWhile I agree with your underlying idea, that's not a valid comparison.
It would take 50+ pre-vaccination years of chicken pox to equal the deaths from COVID in the last 25 days (both US figures).
In the pre-vax era, almost everyone was exposed to chicken pox as children. Thus, they were immune by the time they reached vulnerable ages. Chicken pox grants strong, lifelong immunity (I know, shingles, but that's a different disease).
If everyone were exposed to COVID as children and that granted lifelong immunity, death rates from COVID would also be incomparably lower.
@eladar saidOkay. So your point is that COVID is not worse than Chicken Pox would be if it were suddenly released on a totally virgin population.
I said novel. Tell me, was chickpox a novel virus in the US 50 years ago?
Possibly, but so what? The fact is that we do have immunity in society to chicken pox and we vax against it anyway. How does that help your argument?
@sh76 saidSo what? It means that mothers who held covid parties for their children did the right thing.
Okay. So your point is that COVID is not worse than Chicken Pox would be if it were suddenly released on a totally virgin population.
Possibly, but so what? The fact is that we do have immunity in society to chicken pox and we vax against it anyway. How does that help your argument?
It also means that we did a disservice to our children by not allowing them to get sick and immunity. Covid should be viewed as a childhood disease. Unless you are retired, covid should not be viewed as the boogy man.
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@eladar saidI don't see why COVID parties would be necessary. Just let them live normally and sooner or later they'll be exposed. I do tend to agree that locking down children was a bad idea, especially after the first few weeks of the epidemic. Personally, my kids were living normal lives from May 2020 on and have been in camp/school since June 29, 2020.
So what? It means that mothers who held covid parties for their children did the right thing.
It also means that we did a disservice to our children by not allowing them to get sick and immunity. Covid should be viewed as a childhood disease. Unless you are retired, covid should not be viewed as the boogy man.
Minimal though it is, children 12+ are at much greater risk from COVID than from the vaccine. But if you want to argue that for a 12 year old boy, getting 2 doses might risk myocarditis more than COVID, we can debate.
But none of this applies to adults. For middle aged adults, yes, they'll probably survive COVID if they're healthy, but the vaccine is the better option by orders of magnitude.
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@sh76 saidWhat is the likelihood that a 12 year old who gets COVID will die?
I don't see why COVID parties would be necessary. Just let them live normally and sooner or later they'll be exposed. I do tend to agree that locking down children was a bad idea, especially after the first few weeks of the epidemic. Personally, my kids were living normal lives from May 2020 on and have been in camp/school since June 29, 2020.
Minimal though it is, children 1 ...[text shortened]... bably survive COVID if they're healthy, but the vaccine is the better option by orders of magnitude.
Based on the stats I just googled maybe 20 12 year olds in the US have died of covid in the US. Looks like the probability of death for a 12 year old is pretty low. Not exactly something worth spending money to prevent.
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@eladar saidIs death the only thing worth spending money to prevent? I make sure all my kids get flu shots every year because it decreases their chance of getting a non-lethal though very annoying illness. Same for measels, mumps and rubella. Those diseases don't usually kill children, but I'd rather they not get them all the same. When my kid has a sore throat I take her to the doctor to get strep tested and, possibly put on Z-pak or Doxy or Cephalex even though it's extremely unlikely she'll die from a strep throat.
What is the likelihood that a 12 year old who gets COVID will die?
Based on the stats I just googled maybe 20 12 year olds in the US have died of covid in the US. Looks like the probability of death for a 12 year old is pretty low. Not exactly something worth spending money to prevent.
Why is healthcare a binary issue to you?
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@sh76 saidI never get flu shots. My kids never get flu shots. Somehow we survive and rarely get sick.
Is death the only thing worth spending money to prevent? I make sure all my kids get flu shots every year because it decreases their chance of getting a non-lethal though very annoying illness. Same for measels, mumps and rubella. Those diseases don't usually kill children, but I'd rather they not get them all the same. When my kid has a sore throat I take her to the doctor to g ...[text shortened]... it's extremely unlikely she'll die from a strep throat.
Why is healthcare a binary issue to you?
The last time I got the full blown flu was in college. That round was rough. I had to break down and buy a box of theraflu.
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@eladar said337 children have died from COVID. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku
So what? It means that mothers who held covid parties for their children did the right thing.
It also means that we did a disservice to our children by not allowing them to get sick and immunity. Covid should be viewed as a childhood disease. Unless you are retired, covid should not be viewed as the boogy man.
Anyone who sent their child to a "COVID party" should be arrested.