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@eladar said
Yes he did. He said we did a disservice to children by shutting down schools and preventing them from acquiring immunity naturally.
Not exactly.

Let me try to clarify my position:

1. Children getting COVID is bad, but obviously not as bad as adults getting COVID.

2. It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID.

BUT...

3. It's also bad for children to be kept home from school.

If there is no vaccine and lots of community spread, I think the downside of keeping kids home from school outweighs the risk to children of COVID. Temporary remote learning (like weeks, not months) during a major spike might be justified, but only as a very last resort.

But vaccines are the best option in all cases.


@sh76 said
Not exactly.

Let me try to clarify my position:

1. Children getting COVID is bad, but obviously not as bad as adults getting COVID.

2. It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID.

BUT...

3. It's also bad for children to be kept home from school.

If there is no vaccine and lots ...[text shortened]... ight be justified, but only as a very last resort.

But vaccines are the best option in all cases.
"It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID."

What is your source of information?

Children are less likely get and to spread covid.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/kids-are-half-as-likely-get-covid-19-as-adults-heres-what-we-know

The herd immunity excuse is also questionable.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210203-why-vaccinated-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19

Vaccinating children is stupid. It is based on myth upon myth.

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Latest news out of California

A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/


@sh76 said
Not exactly.

Let me try to clarify my position:

1. Children getting COVID is bad, but obviously not as bad as adults getting COVID.

2. It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID.

BUT...

3. It's also bad for children to be kept home from school.

If there is no vaccine and lots ...[text shortened]... ight be justified, but only as a very last resort.

But vaccines are the best option in all cases.
Totally agree.

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@shavixmir said
Totally agree.
Wrong. This one is untrue:

"2. It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID. "

The opposite is true.

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@eladar said
Latest news out of California

A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/
Hey clown or liar you choose which. You should have read the whole article and not just the bit you like the sound of. Disparity is due to population density and population density alone.

“ However, UCSF infectious disease expert Dr. Phillip Norris clarifies that the data doesn’t mean the vaccine is not working.

He notes, first, the counties referenced with higher vaccination and case rates are more densely populated.

“If there are a lot of people around you’re more likely to bump into one who has COVID,” Norris explained.”
Glad to help.

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@metal-brain said
Wrong. This one is untrue:

"2. It's far better for children to get vaccinated (if and when they approve it for children under 12, of course) than to get COVID. "

The opposite is true.
Stop talking utter sht.

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@kevcvs57 said
Hey clown or liar you choose which. You should have read the whole article and not just the bit you like the sound of. Disparity is due to population density and population density alone.

“ However, UCSF infectious disease expert Dr. Phillip Norris clarifies that the data doesn’t mean the vaccine is not working.

He notes, first, the counties referenced with higher vac ...[text shortened]... people around you’re more likely to bump into one who has COVID,” Norris explained.”
Glad to help.
Do you think a person would remain in a position in the US if he said the vaccines did not work as intended?

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@eladar said
Do you think a person would remain in a position in the US if he said the vaccines did not work as intended?
Again you show very poor discussion culture. You insinuate that the person does lie intentionally to stay in their position without even regarding the arguments point. Either you know that and intentionally disregard it, then you are just evil, or you don't realize it, then you have no reason to put forward a critique. Discuss facts first and theorize about motifs only afetr the facts have been established.

You could just show us where the error in the statement. Don't mix absolute and relative in the argumentation it will be incorrect.


@ponderable said
Again you show very poor discussion culture. You insinuate that the person does lie intentionally to stay in their position without even regarding the arguments point. Either you know that and intentionally disregard it, then you are just evil, or you don't realize it, then you have no reason to put forward a critique. Discuss facts first and theorize about motifs only afe ...[text shortened]... e error in the statement. Don't mix absolute and relative in the argumentation it will be incorrect.
I a not here for discussion. I am here to simply express a point of view and explain topics I am interested in.

Others express their opinion and tell me that my sources of information are fake news in some cases.

They are welcome to their opinion.

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More news from the Dutch front:
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.nos.nl/artikel/2391137-veruit-de-meeste-covidpatienten-in-ziekenhuis-zijn-niet-gevaccineerd.html

Again, a week later, and it’s still 10% of hospital admissions are doubly vaccinated.
5% of whom have underlying illnesses.

So, well within the margins predicted anout the protection levels of the vaccines.
It’s not made clear in the article how many of the 5% without underlying conditions are in intensive care.

Do note that the age of hospital admissions is dropping, because a vast majority of the elderly have had two shots.

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@metal-brain said
Saying it doesn't make it true. Where is your evidence?
Post a peer reviewed scientific study if it exists.
Stop lying you just need to watch any non insane lying news channel. Only a halfwit would need a peer reviewed paper to convince him that 2+2 = 4.
Are you saying that 97% of fatalities from covid in the US are not amongst the unvaccinated?
Just so we can gauge the depths of your idiotic depravity.