1918 Pandemic Protest Caused Spikes

@sh76 said
That is correct. They don't want vaccine mandates. They don't want mask mandates. They don't want social distancing mandates or any kind of mandate at all. They just want to choose to make their own healthcare decisions as they see fit.

1. Most people have the power to make themselves essentially invulnerable to COVID severe disease.

2. Ergo, nobody can really harm you by ...[text shortened]... they decide for themselves is really none of your business.

Which statement do you disagree with?

1-3 are all BS and you know it.

Vaccinated people still can get COVID19 and still have serious health problems, including death, because of it. People who refuse to get vaccinated and/or wear a mask are knowingly increasing the risk to others, so their healthcare decisions have ramifications for others esp. during a pandemic that has already killed millions worldwide.

The US and Canada don't want unvaccinated people crossing their border because of this. Are you seriously saying they should reverse that policy?

@no1marauder said
1-3 are all BS and you know it.

Vaccinated people still can get COVID19 and still have serious health problems, including death, because of it. People who refuse to get vaccinated and/or wear a mask are knowingly increasing the risk to others, so their healthcare decisions have ramifications for others esp. during a pandemic that has already killed millions worldwide. ...[text shortened]... ple crossing their border because of this. Are you seriously saying they should reverse that policy?

Omicron is no more dangerous to the vaccinated than is Influenza. There's no more reason for a boosted person to fear COVID than there is to fear flu. Of course people "can" have health problems, but any step stricter than you would have argued for against flu in 2019 is unwarranted. Refusing to get vaccinated is roughly analogous to the decision to eat too much ice cream and to not exercise. In fact, I'll bet on the fit unvaxxed person against the unhealthy vaxxed person.

Requiring vaccinations for entry was always standard practice to many countries, so I'm okay with adding the COVID vax to entry requirements as long as you make exceptions for people who need them.

@sh76 said
=== That's way too speculative and attenuated. New strains can develop anywhere in the world amongst billions of people and animals. The vaccinated can also become infected. Mandating that Americans get vaccinated is a drop in the bucket in the landscape of new strains evolving (which will happen anyway, no matter what we do).

Vaccines by themselves won't stop new variants but can when combined with other social distancing measures (masks mandates, social distancing, etc.).

So for all the reasons already mentioned, protesting Covid measures is a bad idea, just like it was back in 1918.

@sh76 said
Omicron is no more dangerous to the vaccinated than is Influenza.

Even *if* true, that's irrelevant given there are other strains of Covid, like Delta. Why do you insist on focusing on Omicron when you know this?

@sh76 said
Omicron is no more dangerous to the vaccinated than is Influenza. There's no more reason for a boosted person to fear COVID than there is to fear flu. Of course people "can" have health problems, but any step stricter than you would have argued for against flu in 2019 is unwarranted. Refusing to get vaccinated is roughly analogous to the decision to eat too much ice cream and to ...[text shortened]... adding the COVID vax to entry requirements as long as you make exceptions for people who need them.

You keep claiming that but omicron has been the dominant variant in the US for about 6 weeks and we're still averaging over 15,000 deaths a week. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

Flu hasn't killed like that in over 100 years.

Your information is simply wrong and the governments of these two countries don't have to rely on such falsehoods.

EDIT: In NY the unvaccinated were 26 times more likely to die from omicron than the vaccinated. https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-new-yorkers-26-times-more-likely-die-covid-omicron-peak-1674056

Even accepting this ratio and assuming 70% are vaccinated, you're still talking about more than a 1000 deaths of the vaccinated each week from omicron.

@sh76 said
Let's go with the AIDS comparison for a minute. I'm glad you raised it.

Intentionally having unprotected sex when one knows one is HIV positive and the other person does not know can certainly be a crime. This would be analogous to going into a crowded room knowing one is SARS-CoV-2 positive and not telling anyone.

Having protected sex when one knows one is HIV positive w ...[text shortened]... st infection and transmission.

No public health agency would have proposed either of these steps.

Are you forgetting that AIDS, unlike COVID, is not airborne?
How can it be that The Government already mandates vaccines
to go to school and in order to join The Military ?
https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccines-mandated-us-military-covid-1641228

@no1marauder said
1-3 are all BS and you know it.

Vaccinated people still can get COVID19 and still have serious health problems, including death, because of it. People who refuse to get vaccinated and/or wear a mask are knowingly increasing the risk to others, so their healthcare decisions have ramifications for others esp. during a pandemic that has already killed millions worldwide. ...[text shortened]... ple crossing their border because of this. Are you seriously saying they should reverse that policy?

Your story may have more integrity if you abandoned the pointless masks, it's because people know the mask is a made up thing that they question the veracity of your vaccine evangelism.

@vivify said
Even *if* true, that's irrelevant given there are other strains of Covid, like Delta. Why do you insist on focusing on Omicron when you know this?

Because Omicron is something like 98% of cases by now.

Edit: My info is old. It's now "nearly 100%"

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-wave-covid-cases-finally-peaked-us-rcna13103

@no1marauder said
You keep claiming that but omicron has been the dominant variant in the US for about 6 weeks and we're still averaging over 15,000 deaths a week. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

Flu hasn't killed like that in over 100 years.

Your information is simply wrong and the governments of these two countries don't have to rely on such falsehoods.

EDIT ...[text shortened]... inated, you're still talking about more than a 1000 deaths of the vaccinated each week from omicron.

1,000 deaths per week in the middle of the winter would be a mild (or at worst medium) flu season.

@sh76 said
1,000 deaths per week in the middle of the winter would be a mild (or at worst medium) flu season.

At some point this summer we'll hit 1 million COVID deaths in the US alone, about equal to flu deaths if we add up the numbers since 1990.

@wildgrass said
At some point this summer we'll hit 1 million COVID deaths in the US alone, about equal to flu deaths if we add up the numbers since 1990.

Thankfully, now that we have the vaccines and know how to treat it, we no longer need to fear COVID.

@jimm619 said
Are you forgetting that AIDS, unlike COVID, is not airborne?
How can it be that The Government already mandates vaccines
to go to school and in order to join The Military ?
https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccines-mandated-us-military-covid-1641228

Are you forgetting that AIDS, unlike COVID, is not airborne?

=== Right. That's why you wear the COVID mask on your face and not your dick. I don't see why that has any impact on my analogy though.

How can it be that The Government already mandates vaccines
to go to school and in order to join The Military ?

=== I'm not opposed to military vax mandates. As for school mandates, you need evidence that they're necessary, useful and that the benefit is significantly greater than the risk. You'd need some damned carefully crafted mandates to make that hurdle.

A mandate, for example, that requires double-vaxxed late teens who had Omicron 4 weeks ago to get boosted is just plum nuts (I know the government hasn't done that, but many colleges have).

Even dose 2 for a healthy teenaged boy is very unclear whether it's worth it.


===Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told me that getting boosted would not be worth the risk for the average healthy 17-year-old boy.===

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/should-teens-get-booster-omicron/621222/

https://www.chop.edu/doctors/offit-paul-a

@sh76 said
Right. That's why you wear the COVID mask on your face and not your dick. I don't see why that has any impact on my analogy though.

Isn't it obvious? Unlike Covid, you can't give a roomful of people HIV just by sneezing.

@vivify said
Isn't it obvious? Unlike Covid, you can't give a roomful of people HIV just by sneezing.

A healthy person cannot give a roomful of people covid 'just by sneezing'.

@mott-the-hoople said
like this?
“ "NBC refused to air my Olympics ad with @EnesFreedom unless we censor U.S. corporate logos of the Genocide Games sponsors," Waltz tweeted on Saturday. "We won't let them silence us."



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mike-waltz-advertising-nbc-olympics

Oh, good grief.

I get so tired of privileged crybabies.