@mghrn55 saidFrankly, I wonder that myself. The states and the federal government need to get serious about inflation and crime. Put abortion on the back burner and let it get more thought out. I never studied the abortion thing because I’m too busy worrying about the hell that Biden has put this country through, and on this very day, he is saying abortion is more important to resolve than is crime or inflation. Are y’all daft?
So then ..... Why are GOP states running full blast to ban abortions ?
While also thinking about banning contraception ?
You know...... Instead of solving stuff like gas prices, inflation, etc ....
Don't you want states to have more control ?
@AverageJoe1 again, for what it is worth, average Joe does not care about the abortion issue, nor about what in the hell is going on about the January 6 inquest. I wonder why you care about the January 6 inquest …let the chips fall where they may. you are sounding like SHouse. Now I am going out to hit some golf balls.
@sonhouse saidIf some feel the 2020 election might have had widespread cheating, what is the worst that would happen? Tighten security? I really don't see a possible downside. It certainly wouldn't destroy our Republic.
Nearly 200 repubs up for elections are election deniers.
What happens if they win and literally destroy democracy itself in the US? Would anyone even care? I SURE AS WOULD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/06/elections-deniers-midterm-elections-2022/
@techsouth saidNo. Security was tightened. Extra precautions were taken. Many more election watchdogs were added. Recounts were done in multiple states. Dozens of court cases. Voting machines dismantled and demolished. Arrests were made. There were even election audits to check for bamboo.
If some feel the 2020 election might have had widespread cheating, what is the worst that would happen? Tighten security? I really don't see a possible downside. It certainly wouldn't destroy our Republic.
All allegations proven false beyond reasonable doubt.
None of it mattered. There was cheating because people say there was cheating. Evidence be damned.
@wildgrass
So cheating is now open to votes? No matter zero or close to zero evidence, if 70% of the people say there was cheating, now the vote is PROOF of cheating?
@AverageJoe1
What about the fact those same states are working up bills to allow their own fake electors to decide elections, duly appointed electors be damned? Isn't that more important than inflation? Isn't that the MOST fundamental issue of our day, maybe you just want to ignore it but that is in FACT what is going on and the Moore case before SCOTUS will allow ALL of that legally, SCREW vote counts, we win again! Tell me, is that ok with you? You never said that is a bad idea or a good idea.
Do you seriously think people haven't noticed? Are you for the idea of legal fake electors? You think for instance, the electoral college is SO fukked up you would rather give up democracy itself and the US now the UNunited STATEMENTS of America with a big military, now we can open coal mines, pump trillions of gallons of oil, SCREW green energy, we are making WAY too much money to go green.
Tell me what you think would happen in the US if we actually do lose our democracy?
I think it would be what I said, since zombies are controlled by big BIG corp, they would indirectly BE the government.
That ok with you? Tell me what you think, I want to know what right wingers think, REALLY think about the possibility, a STRONG possibility we may in fact lose the meaning of voting and states make up their own electors instead of actually collating the REAL votes counted up and put together for a peaceful transfer of power. Because of Trump, and Trump ALONE we have lost maybe forever, the IDEA of peaceful transfer of power.
Does THAT mean anything to you? These are FUNDAMENTAL issues I thing worth considering WAY before anything else because we sure as HELL are heading in the way of legal fake electors in ALL repub states.
Maybe that would be FINE with you but I am guessing. WOULD YOU be fine with that result?
@sonhouse saidFirst and Foremost, the ONLY way to keep a majority from eroding Fundamental RIGHTS of a minority is to gain a level of support which is greater than the threshold of more than one half, used for a simple majority. Just 51% is inadequate to insure that all sides have their say.
@AverageJoe1
What about the fact those same states are working up bills to allow their own fake electors to decide elections, duly appointed electors be damned? Isn't that more important than inflation? Isn't that the MOST fundamental issue of our day, maybe you just want to ignore it but that is in FACT what is going on and the Moore case before SCOTUS will allow ALL of th ...[text shortened]... b states.
Maybe that would be FINE with you but I am guessing. WOULD YOU be fine with that result?
It is that simple, and I am with James Madison and Jefferson, et al, with their brilliant process of the EC.
As to your own projections about the actual voting, voting machines, bad people, abuse and misuse, I agree with you that illegalities could occur, and that we need to try to make it as perfect as we can in an imperfect world. That is a separate issue from the EC which is in place. And if the EC has fake electors, maybe spend money on fixing that instead of paying off tuition loans of losers,,,,,,and wasting money on paying off mortgages of veterans with no limbs. Oh, my error, we aren't doing shyt for them. Why doesn't your man Biden help them?
You could have the Fed govt confirm the process of the state-appointed electors and solve your suggested problems. I dont know what corporations have to do with it. Don't you work for a corporation? You dont work for a poor person, do you.?
I agree with you that it would be the end of mankind if the USA lost its Democracy. We are quite important, places like Netherlands could not exist without our existence. Are you saying govt should take over the corporations? I did notice on Tuesday Biden asked corporations to stop making money. Is he a socialist? Hey,,,how would you like it if we became socialist? Why are you libs not worried that we might become socialist?
You have your democracy rants, I have my socialist rants. You love to print money, spend everything in sight, fund parasitic programs. I don't. How would you like it if the liberals maintain control of the House? Can you imagine the makeup of America over the next years? More people, including you, will get more checks. The govt can take their checks and stick them where the sun don't shine.
@techsouth saidYou don’t think red states sending electors that do not represent the election results in those states is a problem for democracy Mmmm🤔
If some feel the 2020 election might have had widespread cheating, what is the worst that would happen? Tighten security? I really don't see a possible downside. It certainly wouldn't destroy our Republic.
@wildgrass saidStipulated.
No. Security was tightened. Extra precautions were taken. Many more election watchdogs were added. Recounts were done in multiple states. Dozens of court cases. Voting machines dismantled and demolished. Arrests were made. There were even election audits to check for bamboo.
All allegations proven false beyond reasonable doubt.
None of it mattered. There was cheating because people say there was cheating. Evidence be damned.
Tell me how our Democracy is destroyed if more security is added?
@kevcvs57 saidWhat was the net result of that?
You don’t think red states sending electors that do not represent the election results in those states is a problem for democracy Mmmm🤔
What would be the net result if done again?
Let's say I show up in Washington DC January 2024 and claim to be an elector. Would I destroy Democracy with my symbolic gesture? Would I be able to walk into the Capitol and place an electoral vote that would be counted?
@techsouth saidI don't disagree. My point was that none of the added security prevented the accusation of cheating, stealing and rigging elections.
Stipulated.
Tell me how our Democracy is destroyed if more security is added?
@averagejoe1 saidThe difference Joe is that these many of these 200 Republicans will win the same elections that they argue are rigged.
Hello,, Sonhouse. Are you for real? Did you not know that we would hit you with memories such as this montage of election deniers???? Y'all were pitiful then,, and you are pitiful now. This thread will drop after about 4 posts. 😳
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=766424741439691
Democrat or Republican, I don't care. When politicians are speaking in terms that undermine credibility of currently elected leaders, that signals the end of democracy.
Of course, as leaders they could be saying how to fix it, but they're not because that's the hard part.
@techsouth
If Moore at SCOTUS is ok'd then ALL the repub states would IMMEDIATELY organize a raft of fake, but now legal, electors. Oh, BTW, Trump won AGAIN, 5 times now. Isn't that making America GREAT?
@sonhouse saidDemocrats were election deniers regarding the 2016 election and you were one of them.
Nearly 200 repubs up for elections are election deniers.
What happens if they win and literally destroy democracy itself in the US? Would anyone even care? I SURE AS WOULD.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/06/elections-deniers-midterm-elections-2022/
Why were you trying to destroy democracy itself in the USA?
@wildgrass saidTransparency and they are doing that.
The difference Joe is that these many of these 200 Republicans will win the same elections that they argue are rigged.
Democrat or Republican, I don't care. When politicians are speaking in terms that undermine credibility of currently elected leaders, that signals the end of democracy.
Of course, as leaders they could be saying how to fix it, but they're not because that's the hard part.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/gop-launches-73-election-integrity-lawsuits-ahead-of-2022-midterms_4817191.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge&src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge
There has been an ongoing effort to impose new restrictions on poll observers and challengers without going through the correct rule making process in violation of the law. It happened here in Michigan. Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson is a threat to election integrity and she is a democrat.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/republicans-win-major-election-integrity-ruling-against-michigan-secretary-of-state_4812191.html