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@kevcvs57 saidI've only ever voted For one party, which is left of center. Which by American standards puts me to the left of AOC. Politics is not a dichotomy unless you live in a monochromatic world.
No it’s definitely possible to have a non partisan discussion but in order to do that you / we have to recognise that we are partisan and try to compensate for that partisanship.
No offence but I’m pretty sure you began this thread with your own partisan position firmly entrenched.
Did i have a position on this...yes. Is it party aligned? No. Unless Nichola Sturgeon just declared she thinks the position should be at least looked at rationally.
Think this debate forum is pistol whipped beyond repair.
Incidentally...i neither live in the UK or the US, and haven't done for nearly 20 years.
@kazetnagorra saidThe politicians of the country i live in are, does that mean we are not allowed to philosphize like rational individuals?
Here is the non-partisan answer: hope that the politicians that were put in charge listen to the experts who are in the best position to gauge the pros and cons of measures aimed at containing the virus. End of story.
@huckleberryhound saidYou are certainly "allowed to." You are also "allowed to" "philosophize" about brain surgery techniques. Is it useful or constructive?
The politicians of the country i live in are, does that mean we are not allowed to philosphize like rational individuals?
I started a thread in here two days ago about the closure of pork and chicken processing plants in the US. And it was scoffed at as "chicken little" material (No1marauder).
What Americans don't understand is, without those processing plants on line many animals (and eggs) now have to be destroyed and many of the farmers and ranchers will go out of business for good - not just during COVID times.
This is serious stuff.
@kazetnagorra saidWho the Fuk are you? You arrogant Fuk!
You are certainly "allowed to." You are also "allowed to" "philosophize" about brain surgery techniques. Is it useful or constructive?
@kevcvs57 said"I don’t know if the depression here will effect the monies given to India and Africa, do you mean in terms of private charitable donations?"
I don’t know if the depression here will effect the monies given to India and Africa, do you mean in terms of private charitable donations? If so then yes I’m sure it will but what’s about to go down in Africa (according to your link) isn’t going to be avoided by anything short of a multinational effort at the governmental level overseen by the UN.
How many people buy stu ...[text shortened]... s how the lockdown in the west is affecting you we can get on with pretending to empathise with you.
- Bought any consumer goods lately? Or been out for a curry? Apparently the Potato industry in Belgium is in threat due to their normal love of Chips and Mayo. How about your regular consumer purchases? Now, Let's consider those in the lower income bracket who largely spend most of their income on a week to week basis. No spending, no taxes, no taxes, no foreign aid or direct investment. It's not as simple as private donations, no? Would you agree that a large drop in the economy of these fringe economies might be the difference between life or death for a large section of their population?
"How many people buy stuff from the high street anymore anyway ? Perhaps the big supermarkets could give the high street based charity shops franchise space in their stores fir the duration of the lockdown."
And who is going to buy these charitable goods? Is a SVP or Barnardos in Tesco going to do any good? Are charity shops essential services, are they even allowed to have chuggers on the empty high streets. Do you remember the the children's song "There's a hole in my bucket"? With what shall people buy Charity goods with? And how shall they it? Not saying that's a bad idea, let me be clear...in fact that's something i 100% agree with ,if it was feasible. What charity should get the space though, when the NHS is looking for charitable donations for PPE equipment (or the HSE here).
'“ Starvation in London is not more acceptable than starvation in India”
In terms of severity and magnitude I’m pretty sure it is a much bigger issue though'
Not for the person who isn't eating.
"It was you that mentioned Scotland and how many food banks we have, like a fool I responded to another question that you weren’t really asking (slaps forehead).
Maybe if you stop pretending to give a toss about the third world and tell us how the lockdown in the west is affecting you we can get on with pretending to empathise with you."
No need to get emotional about things mate, but your antagonism is duly noted. ( I'm guessing being slapped in the forehead has dislodged something, you might want to get it looked at). If you see questions that aren't there, that's your issue to deal with. I'm pretty sure the OP question was clear enough. Maybe your hand was in front of your face?
I do not need or request your empathy. Are you ok?
@kazetnagorra saidEr....i mean....wut?
You are certainly "allowed to." You are also "allowed to" "philosophize" about brain surgery techniques. Is it useful or constructive?
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@huckleberryhound saidHe's better than you...He's better than everyone. He has a PhD, don't you know?
Er....i mean....wut?
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@huckleberryhound saidProperly weighing the risks and benefits of containment policies is a highly complex matter, even beyond my knowledge.
Er....i mean....wut?
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@huckleberryhound saidIs English even your first language, what are you rambling on about.
"I don’t know if the depression here will effect the monies given to India and Africa, do you mean in terms of private charitable donations?"
- Bought any consumer goods lately? Or been out for a curry? Apparently the Potato industry in Belgium is in threat due to their normal love of Chips and Mayo. How about your regular consumer purchases? Now, Let's consider ...[text shortened]... h. Maybe your hand was in front of your face?
I do not need or request your empathy. Are you ok?
Yeah I’ve bought consumer goods lately. Lol have you bought consumer goods lately, If you want a curry they’ll deliver it to your door. The poor and hungry in the uk were poor and hungry before the lockdown and they’ll be poor and hungry after the lockdown because twots keep voting for austerity obsessed Tory governments that don’t give a toss about the poor and hungry in the uk or anywhere else.
Your clearly a right wing opponent of the lockdown that’s fine but please stop pretending you give a toss about the poor and hungry people of the world.
We’re Losing about a third of our care home residents to this virus and you want me to worry about wether people in Belgium are getting enough chips for their mayo?
Are you a sociopath? Why are you talking about no spending? There is loads of spending going on in the uk and to my knowledge the foreign aid budget hasn’t been cut, it may be linked to gdp which could be a problem in the long term. If you really are left wing why are you so keen on working people getting pushed back into factories and small airless high street shops where it’s impossible to social distance rather than calling for better financial support for those who work in the service sector, especially those who have forced into zero hour slavery What fringe economies are you referring to?
“ And who is going to buy these charitable goods? Is a SVP or Barnardos in Tesco going to do any good? Are charity shops essential services, are they even allowed to have chuggers on the empty high streets. Do you remember the the children's song "There's a hole in my bucket"? With what shall people buy Charity goods with? And how shall they it? Not saying that's a bad idea, let me be clear...in fact that's something i 100% agree with ,if it was feasible. What charity should get the space though, when the NHS is looking for charitable donations for PPE equipment (or the HSE here). “
With their furloughed wages dear huckleberry with their furloughed wages my dear. Or even with their normal wages because they are working from home, or the extra money they are making in the evening doing deliveries for Amazon and any number of curry houses and Chinese restaurants.
Maybe you should pop back over to Blighty for a while before you paint your wildly dystopian picture of life in lockdown.
Please specify who you are talking about, I’m a working stiff and I still buy charity goods, you can buy or donate online you know, why don’t you do that instead of forcing working class people back into dangerous work places.
The lack of ppe equipment is due to our government not bothering to prepare for this eventuality by stock piling ppe, nothing whatsoever to do with the lockdown, in fact if it wasn't for the lockdown we’d be needing a shed load more ppe.
“ '“ Starvation in London is not more acceptable than starvation in India”
In terms of severity and magnitude I’m pretty sure it is a much bigger issue though'
“Not for the person who isn't eating. “”
I suggest you google the terms severity and magnitude. How many people in London have starved to death, just a guesstimate will suffice.
“ "It was you that mentioned Scotland and how many food banks we have, like a fool I responded to another question that you weren’t really asking (slaps forehead).
Maybe if you stop pretending to give a toss about the third world and tell us how the lockdown in the west is affecting you we can get on with pretending to empathise with you."
“ No need to get emotional about things mate, but your antagonism is duly noted. ( I'm guessing being slapped in the forehead has dislodged something, you might want to get it looked at). If you see questions that aren't there,
that's your issue to deal with. I'm pretty sure the OP question was clear enough. Maybe your hand was in front of your face? “
Actually it was you, perhaps you’ve failed to keep track of your own rambling anti lockdown polemic.
“ Do you know there is more food banks in Scotland than McDonalds?”
From your reply to my first misguided attempt to take you up on your implied offer of a non partisan discussion on page one.
I do not need or request your empathy. Are you ok?”
I’m fine and never emotional, it’s an English thing. I’m also absolutely sure that you care nought for the poor and hungry of the world. Perhaps if you had read the article in your link you would know it’s about the effects of a lockdown in the actual regions that are teetering on the brink of the upcoming famine. Clearly a lockdown in those regions and countries could do more harm than good, they, unlike you are not talking about the lockdown in the relatively wealthy and well fed regions of the world, like oh I don’t know, the UK or the US.
If you couldn’t spot the sarcasm in the offer of empathy then I’ve obviously over estimated your cognitive abilities.
Try posting honestly about your real problem with the lockdown in the west or wherever you live because your policy of stopping the lockdown where I live is going to cost far more lives here than it will save in the region your ‘apparently’ concerned about.
@eladar saidyeah that’s right elader at 19:00hrs every Thursday us “lock down people” get together on zoom party and figure out what crazy 💩 we are going to get up to for next seven days.
The lock down people believe it is OK for governments to put covid patients into nursing homes containing elderly poor people.
They just idolize their political leaders, so anything the government does is great.
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@kevcvs57 saidSorry mate. Saw your first sentence and thought what a little cun...t. Didn't bother with the rest.
Is English even your first language, what are you rambling on about.
Yeah I’ve bought consumer goods lately. Lol have you bought consumer goods lately, If you want a curry they’ll deliver it to your door. The poor and hungry in the uk were poor and hungry before the lockdown and they’ll be poor and hungry after the lockdown because twots keep voting for austerity obsessed T ...[text shortened]... going to cost far more lives here than it will save in the region your ‘apparently’ concerned about.
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