Originally posted by normbenign So would it not be logical to seek some other factor than high levels of gun ownership as a factor in killings, accidental and criminal?
The same or higher levels of legal gun ownership exist in rural and in urban America. Farmers in rural Illinois aren't shooting each other in drive byes like the gang bangers in Chicago.
There are obviously cultural factors afoot.
The data would suggest that gun ownership plays a role in impulsive crimes of passion/insanity and suicides, but not so much in other crimes. Crime rates in Finland and Switzerland are very low. Criminals could easily get a gun, but there aren't many criminals who want to get one.
Originally posted by normbenign So would it not be logical to seek some other factor than high levels of gun ownership as a factor in killings, accidental and criminal?
The same or higher levels of legal gun ownership exist in rural and in urban America. Farmers in rural Illinois aren't shooting each other in drive byes like the gang bangers in Chicago.
Originally posted by joe beyser Leaving a loaded gun out within children's reach is like leaving a baby in a car with the windows rolled up on a hot summers day. No one blames the car do they.
No-one blames the gun.
It was just fulfilling its raison d'etre.
Originally posted by moon1969 The insane proliferation of guns in our society.
[quote]February 24, 2013
A 4-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself with his father's gun in north Houston early Sunday morning. Jaiden Pratt was spending the weekend with his father, 21-year-old Marquiez Pratt . . . when the accident occurred, said Sgt. Brian Harris with the Houston Police ...[text shortened]... on.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Infant-killed-by-gunfire-in-N-Houston-4304104.php
I'm sure glad all those guns in America are making us safer!!😏
Originally posted by joe beyser That is a good argument. There is one problem with it though. The government having a database of where the guns are and controlling who can get a licence runs counter to the second amendment. The right was not written with duck hunters in mind but with the common man being able to organize and throw off a bad government. Thankfully it hasn't come to that ...[text shortened]... mendment right away would also not be effective for the same reasons and is not in the cards.
There will always be accidents with firearms unfortunately
There have been no accidents with firearms in my family at all which may be accounted for by the fact that there have never been any firearms in my family (or not since my grandfather anyway). Nor am I aware of any such accidents in my town though I may be mistaken, presumably because there are no firearms in my town, though I may be mistaken.
So maybe "always" only applies if there are firearms to start with and not otherwise. And maybe there is a correlation, such that the more firearms the more the risk.
Originally posted by normbenign Are you implying that the proper use of a firearm is that a child kill themselves?
no. im not implying anything. im clearly saying that a gun, when used correctly fires a projectile that is designed to damage flesh. comparisons between guns (designed for killing) and other potentially dangerous things such as cars (not designed for killing) is stupid.
There will always be accidents with firearms unfortunately
There have been no accidents with firearms in my family at all which may be accounted for by the fact that there have never been any firearms in my family (or not since my grandfather anyway). Nor am I aware of any such accidents in my town though I may be mistaken, presumably becaus ...[text shortened]... ch that the more firearms the more the risk.
And maybe the Second Amendment can be amended?
I read ya, but lets say we got rid of guns. Would the government do the same? Nope. If there was an amendment to the second amendment I would hope it would not be a right, but a duty to have firearms.
Originally posted by moon1969 The insane proliferation of guns in our society.
[quote]February 24, 2013
A 4-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself with his father's gun in north Houston early Sunday morning. Jaiden Pratt was spending the weekend with his father, 21-year-old Marquiez Pratt . . . when the accident occurred, said Sgt. Brian Harris with the Houston Police ...[text shortened]... on.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Infant-killed-by-gunfire-in-N-Houston-4304104.php
Put your money where your mouth is. You live in Texas, right? Be a good citizen and go collect your neighbors' guns in the name of safety for all.
I put the over/under on the number of guns you collect before you get shot at zero. But hey - you go try. I'm a pessimist.
Originally posted by sasquatch672 Put your money where your mouth is. You live in Texas, right? Be a good citizen and go collect your neighbors' guns in the name of safety for all.
I put the over/under on the number of guns you collect before you get shot at zero. But hey - you go try. I'm a pessimist.
Originally posted by joe beyser Leaving a loaded gun out within children's reach is like leaving a baby in a car with the windows rolled up on a hot summers day. No one blames the car do they.
Not a good analogy. Cars have a useful purpose. The massive insane proliferation of guns does not.
4-year-old kills self with dad's gun
25 Feb '13 19:57
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