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The U.S. Supreme Court upheld an injunction ordering California to release 46,000 inmates, more than a quarter of the state’s prison population.

The decision was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, a conservative, who in this case sided with the Court’s liberal bloc. It says the state has fallen short of minimum constitutional requirements and has failed to meet prisoners' basic health needs.


Some question whether the U.S. Supreme Court can mandate the release of state prisoners.

“Yes they can... This is really a constitutional question of cruel and unusual punishment, because when a state decides to incarcerate somebody they have a responsibility under federal constitutional law to keep them safe,” said Carl Faller, CBS47’s Legal Analyst and former Federal Prosecutor.


The dissenting opinion calls the decision absurd and says it takes the federal courts wildly beyond their institutional capacity.
http://www.cbs47.tv/news/local/story/46-000-Inmates-to-be-Released-in-California/Jg7KAvQYqU6dMW19PsA8DA.cspx

Is Carl Faller correct about this or has the Supreme Court gone too far?

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
[b]The U.S. Supreme Court upheld an injunction ordering California to release 46,000 inmates, more than a quarter of the state’s prison population.

The decision was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy, a conservative, who in this case sided with the Court’s liberal bloc. It says the state has fallen short of minimum constitutional requirements ...[text shortened]... 9PsA8DA.cspx

Is Carl Faller correct about this or has the Supreme Court gone too far?[/b]
Kennedy is a centrist, not a conservative. He sides with each block roughly equally.

As for this case, I haven't read it, but the Court has the right to prevent cruel and unusual punishment and if it justifiably concluded that California was unable to provide the basic needs of its prisoners, it is allowed to craft a remedy.

Was this the most narrow remedy available? I'll have to read more about the case and re-visit.

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So what are the conditions like in California prisons?

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So what are the conditions like in California prisons?
Like most state prisons in the U.S.
Over crowded, violent, minimal food,etc.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Like most state prisons in the U.S.
Over crowded, violent, minimal food,etc.
Let this be a lesson to all those who don't buy health insurance!! If you think health care is bad now, try getting locked up for not buying any.

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This is great news!

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Like most state prisons in the U.S.
Over crowded, violent, minimal food,etc.
So why should only California release some prisoners?

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So why should only California release some prisoners?
The Supreme Court only decides cases brought before it. If someone from another state sues, the Court will evaluate that state's system separately. This case was about California only.

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Yay!

Hopefully they choose the right people to release.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So what are the conditions like in California prisons?
The movie American Me is said to demonstrate what it's like to be in California prison.

*Note that this movie is fiction which insults Surenos - but the prison scenes are said to be fairly realistic.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So what are the conditions like in California prisons?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/opinion/24tue1.html

"Looking at the photos, there should be no doubt that the conditions violate the Constitution’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment. In the first two, men are packed into what looks like a makeshift shelter, with just a few guards monitoring as many as 200 prisoners. The third photo shows man-sized cages in which prisoners needing mental health treatment are held until a bed opens up. One inmate, Justice Kennedy writes, was found standing 'in a pool of his own urine, unresponsive and nearly catatonic.'"

Not the conditions in any U.S. prison aren't bad, but it sounds like this might have been a bit beyond the standard deviation.

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The third photo shows man-sized cages in which prisoners needing mental health treatment are held until a bed opens up

Someone very close to me is in jail right now because she's been unemployed so long that the stress led to her psychosis expressing itself. What I am reading here really pisses me off. 😠

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
[b]The third photo shows man-sized cages in which prisoners needing mental health treatment are held until a bed opens up

Someone very close to me is in jail right now because she's been unemployed so long that the stress led to her psychosis expressing itself. What I am reading here really pisses me off. 😠[/b]
Welcome to psychiatric medical care in the United States.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
So what are the conditions like in California prisons?
If you drop the soap you won't be able to sit for a week.

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Originally posted by Soothfast
If you drop the soap you won't be able to sit for a week.
Did they hurt you?

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