03 Aug 23
@vivify saidI stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant. What he thinks about the election etc is not a crime. You kids sure throw that word crime around a lot.
The 5 questions from the article:
1) Can prosecutors prove Trump knew his claims were false?
2) Why was Trump not charged with aiding or inciting an insurrection?
3) Who is ‘Co-Conspirator 6’?
4) How big a fundraising boost will Trump get?
5) When will a trial take place?
@averagejoe1 saidI stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant.
I stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant. What he thinks about the election etc is not a crime. You kids sure throw that word crime around a lot.
Attention Federal Prosecutors: Though you've spent years in law school, and have decades of experience prosecuting criminals, Joe said "the claims of Trump are irrelevant." So, back off! yU arr da deeep state. Jo NOozz morr dan youz doo!!!!!! ðŸ˜
03 Aug 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou are correct. What he thinks is not a crime. He is not being charged for speech. He is being charged for conspiring to obstruct the peaceful transfer of presidential election results.
I stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant. What he thinks about the election etc is not a crime. You kids sure throw that word crime around a lot.
03 Aug 23
@mchill saidUhhh, give me an example of a 'claim' that one might make which would amount to a crime. Like, if I go out to the park and claim xyz, it would be a crime.
I stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant.
Attention Federal Prosecutors: Though you've spent years in law school, and have decades of experience prosecuting criminals, Joe said "the claims of Trump are irrelevant." So, back off! yU arr da deeep state. Jo NOozz morr dan youz doo!!!!!! ðŸ˜
03 Aug 23
@phranny saidSo, you state here that what he said is not a crime, but then you are saying he was obstructing the transfer,,,,,,,,,but that was speech, phranny.
You are correct. What he thinks is not a crime. He is not being charged for speech. He is being charged for conspiring to obstruct the peaceful transfer of presidential election results.
So, is his speech a crime, or is it not a crime?
03 Aug 23
@averagejoe1 saidWhen you conspire to defraud the US government, you use words. Is that speech or conspiracy?
So, you state here that what he said is not a crime, but then you are saying he was obstructing the transfer,,,,,,,,,but that was speech, phranny.
So, is his speech a crime, or is it not a crime?
"The purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the results of the election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified."
So, of course they used words/speech. The crime is not the speech. The crime is the obstruction.
03 Aug 23
@averagejoe1 saidAn analogy:
Uhhh, give me an example of a 'claim' that one might make which would amount to a crime. Like, if I go out to the park and claim xyz, it would be a crime.
"See that bank across the street? All the money in there is actually mine, but the bank stole it from me. I need your help in getting my money from the bank; you need to do X,Y and Z."
So the crime starts with a claim and then proceeds by overt acts to attempt to obtain an illegal purpose.
That's a criminal conspiracy.
03 Aug 23
@averagejoe1 saidI stopped before I read this, because you are an idiot.
I stopped with #1, BECAUSE the claims of Trump are irrelevant. What he thinks about the election etc is not a crime. You kids sure throw that word crime around a lot.
03 Aug 23
@averagejoe1 saidScreaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. You know, just for a giggle.
Uhhh, give me an example of a 'claim' that one might make which would amount to a crime. Like, if I go out to the park and claim xyz, it would be a crime.
03 Aug 23
@no1marauder said"But it's Trump, he's our white Jesus! Everything he says is TRUE!"
An analogy:
"See that bank across the street? All the money in there is actually mine, but the bank stole it from me. I need your help in getting my money from the bank; you need to do X,Y and Z."
So the crime starts with a claim and then proceeds by overt acts to attempt to obtain an illegal purpose.
That's a criminal conspiracy.
03 Aug 23
@wildgrass saidNo no no, I asked Phranny why he said what he did, which were conflicting statements. He hasn't answered, and you say nothing. A long night.
When you conspire to defraud the US government, you use words. Is that speech or conspiracy?
"The purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the results of the election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified."
So, of course they used words/speech. The crime is not the speech. The crime is the obstruction.
03 Aug 23
@suzianne saidNot on subject sorry. Making a claim is what I said, not screaming an upset to a crowd. Making a claim. Making a claim, Sue. Trump did not scream like a person in a crowded theater. Forget it,, you won't think of one.
Screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. You know, just for a giggle.