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Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @mchillAnimals avoid predators without any known language. They also seek mates, norm societies with hierarchies (alpha makes and such), play, build homes, make care of young and bonds.
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @mchillThe more interesting question:
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @mchillWe were always taught that you can’t think without language.
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @mchillEven if you don't speak, you think in a language.
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @mchillIf by 'rational' is meant the movement from a thesis through an antithesis to a synthesis and round again, the movement involves the representation of change which representation requires a language.
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @stevemccI think...therefore I am...I think.
If by 'rational' is meant the movement from a thesis through an antithesis to a synthesis and round again, the movement involves the representation of change which representation requires a language.
Additionally, Wittgenstein teaches us that there is no private language possible. By definition language involves a 'speaker' and a 'listener' on some common ...[text shortened]... cs to the dolphins and whales and birds.
Our popular understanding is parochial and simplistic.
Originally posted by @mchillYes, because it could theoretically happen solely in terms of geospatial processing.
Can rational thought exist without language?
Originally posted by @philokaliaHow would such a thing manifest itself, if not in language?
Yes, because it could theoretically happen solely in terms of geospatial processing.
Originally posted by @freakykbhThink about it in the sense of a baseball player who is swinging a bat. All of his posturing and arms movement is towards connecting with the ball while the speed of such a thing is beyond any speed we would normally think.
How would such a thing manifest itself, if not in language?
Originally posted by @philokaliaThey do it with language too. Vocalized warning signals like monkey's warnings of snakes are examples of "spoken language." I do not know if pissing on rocks to mark territory is to be considered as language, but it works among those who can smell it. Bees go back to the hive and dance about where to go for pollen. There are way too many anthropocentric assumptions being made here.
Think about it in the sense of a baseball player who is swinging a bat. All of his posturing and arms movement is towards connecting with the ball while the speed of such a thing is beyond any speed we would normally think.
There's probably a lot of other sports analogies that would also affirm this sort of thing.
I would also say this... Animals ...[text shortened]... n of noise and object.
So animals, who can do rudimentary reasoning, do so without language.
Originally posted by @mchillFirst of all, what constitutes rational thought is not a simple matter. It is not on or off, but admits of gradations.
Can rational thought exist without language?
nOriginally posted by @philokaliaIF Michael Gazzaniga wants to define the word in a certain way and can get agreement, so be it. We can use "communication" as a broader term for the imparting of ideas by observable, conventional actions..But by defining "language" as solely a human action and limiting rational thought to language-users, we limit rational thought to humans, merely by the choice of definition. That isn't thought provoking.
Gazzanigga's book entitled Human argued quite strongly that language is solely the realm of humans.
To say that the signaling between animals constitutes an entire langauge is not actually accurate.
We'd basically then need to have another way to describe human interaction.
Like... I do not want to sound that I am being petty and nitpi ...[text shortened]... oint but that is what I think is most fair to the integrity of how we define what a language is.