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British lawmakers voted Tuesday to approve in principle a bill to strip hereditary aristocrats of the right to sit and vote in the House of Lords after more than 700 years. The Labour Party government says the decision will complete a long-stalled reform of Parliament’s upper chamber ...
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https://apnews.com/article/uk-lords-hereditary-aristocrats-eebad806ed864e2da361c94e9526822e
Pro: hereditary seats in Parliament?? In the 21st c.?!? You cannot be serious!!
Con: It's worked for 700 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Discuss.
@moonbus
I am all in favour of the move. If the main qualification to be on that house of parliament is that your forefathers (and -mothers) had a privileged position it is more than doubtworthy.
My question is: Will there be a new second chamber to the parliament? And who should sit there?
Democracy is a complex game and is often abused...
Edit: So I read up on it: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63864428
So the House of Lords as instituion will remain with appointed "peers" and the reformation only affects 92 of 805...
@moonbus saidCannot support anything on the grounds of "tradition" and nothing else. The british love their tradition and are slow to change
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British lawmakers voted Tuesday to approve in principle a bill to strip hereditary aristocrats of the right to sit and vote in the House of Lords after more than 700 years. The Labour Party government says the decision will complete a long-stalled reform of Parliament’s upper chamber ...
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https://apnews.com/article/uk-lords-hereditary-aristocrats-eebad ...[text shortened]... cannot be serious!!
Con: It's worked for 700 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Discuss.
"a bill to strip hereditary aristocrats of the right to sit and vote in the House of Lords after more than 700 years"
sounds like a very small drop in a very large lake, but sure. i doubt anyone can name the very few Xth generation lords that would be affected by this
@Zahlanzi saidThe bill would actually affect only 88 people, out of 800.
Cannot support anything on the grounds of "tradition" and nothing else. The british love their tradition and are slow to change
"a bill to strip hereditary aristocrats of the right to sit and vote in the House of Lords after more than 700 years"
sounds like a very small drop in a very large lake, but sure. i doubt anyone can name the very few Xth generation lords that would be affected by this
My next question would be, if they're going to abolish hereditary positions in Parliament, why stop there ?
@moonbus saidbaby steps, they don't want old brits to panic.
The bill would actually affect only 88 people, out of 800.
My next question would be, if they're going to abolish hereditary positions in Parliament, why stop there ?
just look for talkshows where the mere mention of "hey maybe this monarchy thing is not working out for us" causes their stiff upper lips to tremble in outrage.
"The bill would actually affect only 88 people, out of 800. "
First of all, i intentionally refused to google how many lords there were so as not to get annoyed, soo screw you sir for giving me this information.
Secondly, i was more refering to how few people are affected compared to the entirety of UK's population. There are countless problems worth addressing but this is what time is spent on
