08 Jul 08
Legalizing abortion increased crime. Those born in the four years after Roe vs. Wade were much more likely to commit murder than those born in the four years prior. This was especially true when they were in their “criminal prime,” says John R. Lott, Jr.:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377181,00.html
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter...
Legalizing abortion increased crime. Those born in the four years after Roe vs. Wade were much more likely to commit murder than those born in the four years prior. This was especially true when they were in their “criminal prime,” says John R. Lott, Jr.:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377181,00.html
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterfor a second there I was interested, then I saw that you linked faux news...😞
Legalizing abortion increased crime. Those born in the four years after Roe vs. Wade were much more likely to commit murder than those born in the four years prior. This was especially true when they were in their “criminal prime,” says John R. Lott, Jr.:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377181,00.html
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08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHe opens the article stating: "Violent crime in the United States soared after 1960. From 1960 to 1991, reported violent crime increased by an incredible 372 percent."
Legalizing abortion increased crime. Those born in the four years after Roe vs. Wade were much more likely to commit murder than those born in the four years prior. This was especially true when they were in their “criminal prime,” says John R. Lott, Jr.:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377181,00.html
The statistics aren't completely predictable, though, there are sizeable fluctuations.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
It is not an exact science... in 1980 for instance, murders spiked to 23,040 -- this then fell until 1984 when crime started rising again. In short, he bases his conclusion on what happened during a four year period rather than a 17 year one. Just looking at the statistics shows how dodgy his conclusion is.
(It's also interesting to note the steady rise of crime under George W. -- I didn't know that.)
"The “abortion decreases crime” argument gets even weaker when one looks at data from Canada. While crime rates in both the United States and Canada began declining at the same time, Canada liberalized its abortion laws much later than the U.S. did. Although Quebec effectively legalized abortion in late 1976, it wasn’t until 1988, in a case originating in Ontario, that the Canadian supreme court struck down limits on abortion nationwide. If the legalization of abortion in the U.S. caused crime to begin dropping 18 years later, why did the crime rate begin falling just three years after the comparable legal change in Canada?"
This is a comical attempt to add another point to his argument. If abortion does lower crime rates, that doesn't mean that nothing else can.
The guy is a prize idiot, and I wouldn't take too much stock in what he is saying.
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by HumeAI daresay Lott has many more skins on the wall than any of his critics -- he's also a well-respected author and researcher at the University of Maryland. He is also correct when he says legalization of abortion has led to an increase in single-parent families (which has led to far more crime than the amount reduced from the culling of "unwanted children"😉. Because his views differ from yours is no reason to dismiss him out of hand -- his hypothesis is still valid. For a "liberal" your thinking is very rigid.
...The guy is a prize idiot, and I wouldn't take too much stock in what he is saying.
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI believe it also causes cancer in rats and global warming.
Legalizing abortion increased crime. Those born in the four years after Roe vs. Wade were much more likely to commit murder than those born in the four years prior. This was especially true when they were in their “criminal prime,” says John R. Lott, Jr.:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377181,00.html
08 Jul 08
I have difficulty believing that abortion laws or lack thereof have had ANY long-term "effect" on crime rates.
There may be some correlation, but you'd have to do a lot more convincing to make me believe there is a causal relationship there.
There's a correlation between moving to Florida and dying shortly thereafter, too, but that doesn't meet living in Florida kills you... rather, Florida is a popular retirement location.
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI have read many of your articles and on occasion posted stuff to contradict them but you never respond sensibly to other peoples arguments anyway. On this occasion, being pushed for time, I didn´t read it. I may be wrong but past experience leads me to believe my comment was about as well thought out and scientific as your original post.
You really should read the article, you might learn something.
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08 Jul 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOn the contrary, I read the article, and it piqued my interest (even despite the errors in his argument at times which were blatant attempts to draw people to his conclusion by literal weight of it alone -- idiot may have been a bit strong... how about devious). So I looked at the statistics and realised that his claim that abortions increase crime rates is faulty.
I daresay Lott has many more skins on the wall than any of his critics -- he's also a well-respected author and researcher at the University of Maryland. He is also correct when he says legalization of abortion has led to an increase in single-parent families (which has led to far more crime than the amount reduced from the culling of "unwanted c ...[text shortened]... out of hand -- his hypothesis is still valid. For a "liberal" your thinking is very rigid.
At least I didn't just read the article and then pick a side (I still don't see that I have picked a side. Just because Lott is wrong doesn't mean that his opponents are right -- how could I possibly know for sure that abortions are lowering crime rates?)