The "top-free" movement aims to make it legal for women to be topless in any area when men can be topless: the beach, a park, jogging in the street on a hot summer day, public pools, playing outdoor sports, etc.
Most people are okay with this, except for more conservative people. But here's a question for those okay with female toplessness: Should that include minors?
If it becomes legal for women to be topless in any area when men are topless, this could mean it's legal for 14 yr old girls to walk around topless.
I know the whole point of the top-free movement is to desexualize the female body as something just as natural and normal as when men walk around shirtless. But do we really want 12 or 14 yr old girls walking around topless the same way boys playing soccer might?
Kidnapping and abductions of women, tragically, are problems that only get worse year after year. You could argue that girls walking around topless can make that problem worse.
You could also argue that normalizing female toplessness (or nudity in general) demystifies the human body. For example, women showing their legs in shorts or a skirt doesn't get anyone to blink an eye...except in Muslim countries where women are required to stay covered up. Women merely showing their legs in public is a non-issue in most countries because it's been normalized.
So if women being topless becomes legalized, should that include minors?
@vivify saidObviously it should be legal, but equally obviously, it’s more of an equal rights in law theory, than anything many women / girls will do practically.
The "top-free" movement aims to make it legal for women to be topless in any area when men can be topless: the beach, a park, jogging in the street on a hot summer day, public pools, playing outdoor sports, etc.
Most people are okay with this, except for more conservative people. But here's a question for those okay with female toplessness: Should that include minors?
...[text shortened]... e it's been normalized.
So if women being topless becomes legalized, should that include minors?
In Holland it’s perfectly legal to be topless on a beach. But since the rise of mobile phones, less and less women do so.
@shavixmir saidCouldn't this be a point against legalizing female toplessness? That doing so merely fills a legalistic obligation rather than a societal need?
obviously, it’s more of an equal rights in law theory, than anything many women / girls will do practically.
@shavixmir saidI agree about women. Not sure about female minors.
If women want the right to be topless, what’s it to me.
Their choice.
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@shavixmir saidshould people be required to wear clothes period?
If women want the right to be topless, what’s it to me.
Their choice.
@vivify saidThe legalistic obligation is the point surely, if men can go topless then women should be able to go topless.
Couldn't this be a point against legalizing female toplessness? That doing so merely fills a legalistic obligation rather than a societal need?
Whether they’d want to go topless is up to them but they shouldn’t be legally restrained by a right wing conservative Taliban
@kevcvs57 saidDo you agree with underaged girls being topless in public since it's allowed for boys?
The legalistic obligation is the point surely, if men can go topless then women should be able to go topless.
Whether they’d want to go topless is up to them but they shouldn’t be legally restrained by a right wing conservative Taliban
@vivify saidMinors are called that for a reason and fall into a different legal parameters for obvious reasons.
Do you agree with underaged girls being topless in public since it's allowed for boys?
Adult women should not be dragooned into the same restrictions that we impose on minors just because it makes their liberation legally problematic.
@kevcvs57 saidI made it clear I agree with adult women being allowed to be topless, more than once.
Minors are called that for a reason and fall into a different legal parameters for obvious reasons.
Adult women should not be dragooned into the same restrictions that we impose on minors just because it makes their liberation legally problematic.
Based on your post, it seems you don't agree with girls being topless in places where it's allowed for boys, correct?
@vivify saidThis is a no-brainer: parents decide in the case of a minor.
The "top-free" movement aims to make it legal for women to be topless in any area when men can be topless: the beach, a park, jogging in the street on a hot summer day, public pools, playing outdoor sports, etc.
Most people are okay with this, except for more conservative people. But here's a question for those okay with female toplessness: Should that include minors?
...[text shortened]... e it's been normalized.
So if women being topless becomes legalized, should that include minors?
I will share my experiences of having lived in Germany for 20 years. Germans are pretty casual about public nudity. At most lakes and many beaches, there is a nudist portion, which means clothes optional, nudity not mandatory. Families often go there with children from infants up to teens. Kids learn early on to be comfortable with nudity. As girls start to bud, many become shy, and it is fairly common to see them at nudist parts of lakes and beaches putting on bathing suits where they would have gone without a year before. Everyone understands this shy phase and there’s no pressure put on them either way. Which I think is an entirely healthy body-ethos.
What’s different about the recent legislation in Berlin is that it applies to indoor pools.