Originally posted by RSMA1234It is possible that Israel will react that way, in which case it will lose my support and I suggest the support of millions of others, possibly including that of the people funding her.
Understand what you say and it makes sense, but again its a bit harder then that
For example, if you had to carry a card, where stopped each time you went to work, randomly beat up by the army, treated like a second class person and your house demolised due to the actions of someone else in your extented family, can you honestly say that you go to peacef ...[text shortened]... thinks and no ampunt of pressure can change their minds if they donlt want to change themselevs
As to what you say about someone in your extended family blowing up a bus and Israel destroying your home in retaliation, what I am trying to get at is that if your extended family stopped attacking Israel then Israel would not destroy your home.
Armed conflict has done nothing for the Ps, I think it is time they are trying something different. And i am not suggesting it would be easy, quite the contrary, it would be very difficult, but I believe the end result would benefit all. Even Israel is not the country it could be because it has been at war for many years now, and war is expensive.
Originally posted by knightwestThis is very nice in theory. Most conflicts can be resolved this way, but the general feeling of the Ps is that they DO NOT WANT PEACE.
It is possible that Israel will react that way, in which case it will lose my support and I suggest the support of millions of others, possibly including that of the people funding her.
As to what you say about someone in your extended family blowing up a bus and Israel destroying your home in retaliation, what I am trying to get at is that if your ext ...[text shortened]... not the country it could be because it has been at war for many years now, and war is expensive.
Peachy has said it in another thread (nothing personal Peachy), and his view reflects that of the Ps :
"For the moment, for the present, all I care about is the removal of the cancer from the middle east."
THEY WANT THE JEWS OUT OF ISRAEL.
Originally posted by Rajk999I totally agree with you.
This is very nice in theory. Most conflicts can be resolved this way, but the general feeling of the Ps is that they DO NOT WANT PEACE.
Peachy has said it in another thread (nothing personal Peachy), and his view reflects that of the Ps :
"For the moment, for the present, all I care about is the removal of the cancer from the middle east."
THEY WANT THE JEWS OUT OF ISRAEL.
It's just never going to happen is it.
Can't they see the incredibly powerful political force they could build up if they had peaceful protests without a single stone being cast, and the Isrealis were stupid enough and opened fire? And the Ps then don't start bombing cafes and busses again?
It would change their world.
Originally posted by knightwestIt does act in that way towards the people in Gaza / west bank. Try and think what you would do if they treated you like that
It is possible that Israel will react that way, in which case it will lose my support and I suggest the support of millions of others, possibly including that of the people funding her.
As to what you say about someone in your extended family blowing up a bus and Israel destroying your home in retaliation, what I am trying to get at is that if your ext ...[text shortened]... not the country it could be because it has been at war for many years now, and war is expensive.
"As to what you say about someone in your extended family blowing up a bus and Israel destroying your home in retaliation, what I am trying to get at is that if your extended family stopped attacking Israel then Israel would not destroy your home"
Not sure if I agree with that, typcially if they do such actions then they do not tell their extented family, they just go for it....so as a result the family (who are innocent and did not do the bombing and have nothing to do with it) have their home destroyed.
Also guilt by association is not a concept that I agree with personally, I donlt think its reasonable to be held accountable for the actions of someone else regardless if you are in the extended family or not
Armed conflict has done a little, but not much. But what other course is open to them ? Desperation is leading to people wanting to bomb buses etc
Originally posted by RSMA1234Yeah, think what you would do.
It does act in that way towards the people in Gaza / west bank. Try and think what you would do if they treated you like that
Would you strap a vest-bomb on your 11 yr old and send him off to catch the school-bus?
If not .. you don't qualify to be Palistinian.
First you have to lose all sense of reason, then attend Mosque on a regular basis until you learn the way of the "True Faith"
Originally posted by jammerWow ALL Palestinians do that?????
Yeah, think what you would do.
Would you strap a vest-bomb on your 11 yr old and send him off to catch the school-bus?
If not .. you don't qualify to be Palistinian.
First you have to lose all sense of reason, then attend Mosque on a regular basis until you learn the way of the "True Faith"
Originally posted by jammerCouple of points Jammer.
Yeah, think what you would do.
Would you strap a vest-bomb on your 11 yr old and send him off to catch the school-bus?
If not .. you don't qualify to be Palistinian.
First you have to lose all sense of reason, then attend Mosque on a regular basis until you learn the way of the "True Faith"
No I would not do that personally, but then again not all P's think that way.
Both sides are at fault.
But at the same time, imagime your dad has been shot by a soldier (through no fault of his own), you get treated like scum, humilated everyday because of where you live, your house destroyed, can you honestly say you would not want reveage ?
Try an imagine this, you live in CA, ~USA as per your profile, the red indians come to your house and say our god promised us this land and get the hell out. They destroy your house, treat you like crap.....so you just going to say yeah...thats fine mister ?
I doubt it.
Personally I think their will nevcer be peace in the Middle east as both sides are as fanitical as one another
Originally posted by knightwestExactly, we watching from outside can be objective and say what course of action is likely to yield the best long term results.
I totally agree with you.
It's just never going to happen is it.
Can't they see the incredibly powerful political force they could build up if they had peaceful protests without a single stone being cast, and the Isrealis were stupid enough and opened fire? And the Ps then don't start bombing cafes and busses again?
It would change their world.
But sometimes what we dont factor in the TOTAL HATRED that each side has for each other. You hear it in what they say, you see it in their actions. They cant hide it. And its that hatred that is going to destroy the Ps. The Israelis can handle all of them simultaneously. They cannot win. Its a lost cause and they will never see it and never give up. Its the power of religious fanaticism. Amazing !!
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Originally posted by RSMA1234First i'd get my women and children to a safe place. then i'd get my gear together and move out into the bush.
But at the same time, imagime your dad has been shot by a soldier (through no fault of his own), you get treated like scum, humilated everyday because of where you live, your house destroyed, can you honestly say you would not want reveage ?
Try an imagine this, you live in CA, ~USA as per your profile, the red indians come to your house and say our god ...[text shortened]... hink their will nevcer be peace in the Middle east as both sides are as fanitical as one another
Then i'd start the killing.
You aren't saying these people don't have choices are you?
You aren't saying suicide bombing of innocents is a good "plan" are you?
Not too bright to start a gunfight .. and use your own children as a shield.
Not very honorable either
You want to fight the evil Jews? Then get your women and children to a safe place, arm yourselves and fight like men.
If not, continue to send your sons out to throw stones and die for you.
These aren't men; a man will fight you straight up. These are cowards and bullies .. "men" who send the children out to do the fighting while they hide in the Mosque.
Originally posted by jammerWell Said.
First i'd get my women and children to a safe place. then i'd get my gear together and move out into the bush.
Then i'd start the killing.
You aren't saying these people don't have choices are you?
You aren't saying suicide bombing of innocents is a good "plan" are you?
Not too bright to start a gunfight .. and use your own children as a shield.
No ...[text shortened]... .. "men" who send the children out to do the fighting while they hide in the Mosque.
There have been many interviews with the parents of suicide bombers, and aspiring suicide bombers, and amazingly the parents have been proud of their children. So the parents clearly do not think that placing kids in the line of fire is any big deal. Again it all goes back to their religious beliefs. It is better to die a martyr trying to kill the infidels, and go to heaven that to live a long peaceful life on earth.
"Terrorists continually hit soft targets, mostly US, UK, AU etc etc. They do that becaues they are cowards"
What absolute bollocks.....
The USA and Western Allies have Nuclear weapons, Chemical weapons, Biological weapons,
Aircraft-carriers, Submarines, Battleships, Frigets, Destroyers, Landing craft,
Cruise-missiles, Drones, Intercontinental Ballistic-missiles, Spy-satellites,
***** Deep breath *****
Super-tanks, Fuel-air bombs, Laser guided bombs, Heavy bombers, Stealth bombers, Super fighter jets, Night vision, Hi-tec listening equipment,
***** Another breath ****
Spy networks, Hidden prisons, Corrupt officials, Trillions of dollars, and a population that doesn't give a bollocks about the wholesale murder by their troops of hundreds of thousands of women and children who's only crimes was being born in a country that wasn't White and in the West.
***** NOW TELL ME FOOL WHAT PART OF THAT LOT IS SOFT *****
ONLY THE BRAVEST OF THE BRAVE WOULD TAKE ON THAT FOE
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Originally posted by iraqi insurgentI think your profile :-
"Terrorists continually hit soft targets, mostly US, UK, AU etc etc. They do that becaues they are cowards"
What absolute bollocks.....
The USA and Western Allies have Nuclear weapons, Chemical weapons, Biological weapons,
Aircraft-carriers, Submarines, Battleships, Frigets, Destroyers, Landing craft,
Cruise-missiles, Drones, Intercontinent WHAT PART OF THAT LOT IS SOFT *****
ONLY THE BRAVEST OF THE BRAVE WOULD TAKE ON THAT FOE
Born Belfast Ireland,
hate stupid people, ugly people, zionists, capitalists, religous zealots, fat people, anorexic people, nuns, priests, ministers, lawyers, accountants, journalists, lesbians that arn't drop dead gorgeous, effeminate men, skinheads, punks, traffic wardens, bailiffs, cripples, albanians, yanks, brits and irish, also judges, cops, and diccheads in any military uniform. so if you can avoid the above or you're a sexy lesbian give me a game."
...proves who the fool is.
More proof of your stupidity is that you dont have a clue what a soft target is. A soft target is one that is not expecting or prepared afor any attack. For example
- the World Trade centre,
- students having pizza in Jerusalem
- commuters going to work in London
- the USS Cole, parked in friendly waters
- the US embassy in ....
- people on a bus going to work in Haifa.
But have no fear. Judgement day is coming soon and Israel will get tired of you insignificant bastards and wipe half of you sickos off the planet ... and good riddance.
Originally posted by iraqi insurgentMoron.
"Terrorists continually hit soft targets, mostly US, UK, AU etc etc. They do that becaues they are cowards"
What absolute bollocks.....
The USA and Western Allies have Nuclear weapons, Chemical weapons, Biological weapons,
Aircraft-carriers, Submarines, Battleships, Frigets, Destroyers, Landing craft,
Cruise-missiles, Drones, Intercontinent ...[text shortened]... WHAT PART OF THAT LOT IS SOFT *****
ONLY THE BRAVEST OF THE BRAVE WOULD TAKE ON THAT FOE
Originally posted by jammerIf that's your only issue, why don't you send the Palestinians some arms? Nothing fancy -- shoulder-launched rockets, heavy machine guns, recoiless rifles.
First i'd get my women and children to a safe place. then i'd get my gear together and move out into the bush.
Then i'd start the killing.
You aren't saying these people don't have choices are you?
You aren't saying suicide bombing of innocents is a good "plan" are you?
Not too bright to start a gunfight .. and use your own children as a shield.
No ...[text shortened]... .. "men" who send the children out to do the fighting while they hide in the Mosque.
Because if all you've got is Qassam rockets and suicide bombers -- that's not much to go on, is it? A group might give up if that's all they had.
Unless they were really determined to win. In which case they would go on fighting with rocks if necessary.