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Originally posted by FMFWhy then the severly low national approval rating of Congress? Is this not a concern in your fabled democracy?
I think term limits are an impediment to democratic choice.
Originally posted by whodeyI have no idea what you think the relevance of this particular hobby horse of yours is to what I have stated on this thread. Low approval ratings in a democracy is surely a different topic for a different thread.
Why then the severly low national approval rating of Congress? Is this not a concern in your fabled democracy?
Originally posted by FMFI don't believe in ditching term limits because of the examples of Cincinnatus, George Washington, Nelson Mandela, etc.
I think term limits should be ditched as they are a restriction of democratic choice but I don't think there's any mileage in ditching them specifically "so Obama can run for 3rd term". Perhaps if you'd chipped in with a proposal to end term limits for the Presidency just as an incumbent, with whom you profoundly disagreed, looked capable of winning a third term, then your desire to amend the constitution would have more credibility. 😵
Originally posted by twhiteheadEliminating term limits would give the incumbent a huge incentive to become a mere demagogue -- and each incumbent would push the system further to favor incumbents.
As we all know, democratic choice is far from perfect. We know well that the incumbent has a significant advantage in most cases, especially here in Africa where he typically has access to government funds for his campaign, as well as manipulating the media. But even when access to government funds is not available, the ability to manipulate the economy i ut when you vote for president, at least some of your vote is for the presidents speech writer.
Originally posted by moon1969Could you be any more limp-wristed?
Thoughts?
I would really like having President Obama continue into a third term, but was also looking forward to Hillary winning the Presidency in 2016 and wary of amending the Constitution.
Seriously, I know no way any amendment would ever make it in today's climate, but it was a nice thought to think about have a great leader continue.
Originally posted by whodeyConstituents love their incumbent congress person, but want to kick out all others. And interestingly, in a democracy, it is up to the constituents of who they vote for in their district.
What about those in Congress who keep getting elected even though their approval ratings continue to deteriorate and are now around 13%?
Do you really hate democracy that much FMF?
Originally posted by whodeyI'm not sure I get your point. There are plenty of countries with no term limits and vastly higher approval ratings of Parliament (pretty much any rich Western country).
Why then the severly low national approval rating of Congress? Is this not a concern in your fabled democracy?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraPresidential power is already limited by veto override. And executive order power is largely usurped. The 22nd amendment was clearly a response to the first four term President. No others had ever served three.
I'm not sure I get your point. There are plenty of countries with no term limits and vastly higher approval ratings of Parliament (pretty much any rich Western country).
Term limits are a bad idea (for the reason FMF stated) and they are the wrong remedy for having a President who has too much power. A better solution would be to limit the President's power, by for example taking away the power to veto bills and issue Executive Orders.
Originally posted by normbenignI always find this claim bizarre. Congress passed Obama's stimulus package three weeks after his inauguration. Do you right wingers have exceedingly poor memories or weren't you paying attention?
Presidential power is already limited by veto override. And executive order power is largely usurped. The 22nd amendment was clearly a response to the first four term President. No others had ever served three.
I can find fault with term limits, or with no term limits. As to limiting Democracy, there are lots of intentional limits to that. I would b ...[text shortened]... ke, and which acts to hamper any solution of the most pressing problem. That is leadership?