@wildgrass saidLike Sunhouse, you just randomly comment that humans are contributing to global warming. There are many scientists to say they are not. Be that as it may, how do you square our sacrificing to fight global warming while India and China and many other countries don’t give a crap and they will profit with their burning of coil with their production while we restrict our production to keep carbon out of the atmosphere. So they do it, and we don’t ….something to ponder at least.
Theres money wasted by ignoring it too. The whole world warms two degrees? Everyone sees their air conditioning bill go up, disease bearing tick populations are moving north, storm patterns change to hit areas where infrastructure wasn't designed to insulate.
Climate change is happening regardless, but it's happening faster because of humans. The dollar value estimates of mitigating climate change is much less than not doing anything.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhat purely juvenile thinking.
Like Sunhouse, you just randomly comment that humans are contributing to global warming. There are many scientists to say they are not. Be that as it may, how do you square our sacrificing to fight global warming while India and China and many other countries don’t give a crap and they will profit with their burning of coil with their production while we restrict our prod ...[text shortened]... on to keep carbon out of the atmosphere. So they do it, and we don’t ….something to ponder at least.
You keep crowing about America being a world leader, but when it comes time to actually lead, all you can do is cry "they did it first!!!!1!!".
@AverageJoe1 saidHumans know how to mitigate the processes of climate change. Do we want to spend money maintaining the climate we have, or spend money on air conditioning and infrastructure upgrades to protect from it?
Like Sunhouse, you just randomly comment that humans are contributing to global warming. There are many scientists to say they are not. Be that as it may, how do you square our sacrificing to fight global warming while India and China and many other countries don’t give a crap and they will profit with their burning of coil with their production while we restrict our prod ...[text shortened]... on to keep carbon out of the atmosphere. So they do it, and we don’t ….something to ponder at least.
@wildgrass saidMy point, how can our little world of 330 million beat out those huge countries who are putting every carbon in the air that they can think of, our 330 is peanuts. A drop in the ocean of carbon. Not really arguable in my opinion, it is what it is. Your neighbors all around burn leaves all day long in the fall. It affects the breathing of our families. So you stop burning leaves in your yard and they don’t. You’ve had no effect.
Humans know how to mitigate the processes of climate change. Do we want to spend money maintaining the climate we have, or spend money on air conditioning and infrastructure upgrades to protect from it?
@Indonesia-Phil said"Meanwhile it's a good idea to reduce carbon emissions, and generally keep an eye on things."
I think the big picture is that we're in an 'inter glacial' period, in a few tens or hundreds of thousand years' time the world will get colder again, which will bring its' own problems if Homo Sapiens still walk the earth. Meanwhile it's a good idea to reduce carbon emissions, and generally keep an eye on things. The rest we can't do very much about.
There is no evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming in the earth's atmosphere. Plants grow better with more CO2 so you are just suggesting a war against increased plant growth which means more food for people to eat.
We are coming out of a global cooling period so there is global warming, but thanks for that. Would you want to live in the mini ice age forever? This is a the main cause of climate change in recent history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536
In my opinion that caused the mini ice age. Notice how many people died because of that event. Another event like that is what you should fear, not natural global warming that is reversing it.
@AverageJoe1 saidPlease don't try this line, 330 million US citizens emit more Co2 than 1.4 billion Indians...
My point, how can our little world of 330 million beat out those huge countries who are putting every carbon in the air that they can think of, our 330 is peanuts. A drop in the ocean of carbon. Not really arguable in my opinion, it is what it is. Your neighbors all around burn leaves all day long in the fall. It affects the breathing of our families. So you stop burning leaves in your yard and they don’t. You’ve had no effect.
@wildgrass said"Humans know how to mitigate the processes of climate change"
Humans know how to mitigate the processes of climate change. Do we want to spend money maintaining the climate we have, or spend money on air conditioning and infrastructure upgrades to protect from it?
That is BS. How will humans prevent the next ice age? And I mean a real ice age and not another mini ice age. I believe this was the cause of the mini ice age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536
How will humans prevent another volcanic winter? Mankind can alter the weather using chem trails and HAARP, but that cannot prevent a naturally caused volcanic winter.
@Ponderable saidWe need more CO2 in the atmosphere so plants grow better. The ice core samples proved that temps were driving CO2 level up in the atmosphere, not the other way around. Al Gore lied.
Please don't try this line, 330 million US citizens emit more Co2 than 1.4 billion Indians...
When the ocean warms it cannot hold as much CO2 and it was expelled into the atmosphere much the way carbonated beverages cannot hold as much CO2 when it gets warm.
@Metal-Brain saidEver herad of the minimax principle?
We need more CO2 in the atmosphere so plants grow better. The ice core samples proved that temps were driving CO2 level up in the atmosphere, not the other way around. Al Gore lied.
When the ocean warms it cannot hold as much CO2 and it was expelled into the atmosphere much the way carbonated beverages cannot hold as much CO2 when it gets warm.
So wher exactly do platnts suffer from to few CO2 in the atmosphere?
@Ponderable saidThere are a few (C4) exceptions, but that is the evolutionary result of CO2 starvation. Most plants are C3 plants, not C4.
Ever herad of the minimax principle?
So wher exactly do platnts suffer from to few CO2 in the atmosphere?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1692178/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_carbon_fixation
C4 plants are evidence of CO2 starvation before we increased CO2 levels.
There is plenty of evidence that life thrived during high CO2 levels. CO2 levels were 5 times higher during the age of the dinosaurs. The junk science claim that higher CO2 levels is bad for the planet is poppycock.
Furthermore, the Pliocene Epoch had about the same CO2 levels as now and all of the glaciers and sea ice were gone. All of it! That proves CO2 did not cause the warming since we still have lots of ice left.
Al Gore is a propagandist. He scared people with lies for the long term goal of a carbon tax. They want to scare people into accepting a tax and monitor your travels. They do not really care about rising CO2 emissions at all. The US military is worst emitter in the world, but the corporate news media and the BBC will not tell you that, will they?
@Metal-Brain saidOooff. Ok, back up a few steps there, cowboy.
There are a few (C4) exceptions, but that is the evolutionary result of CO2 starvation. Most plants are C3 plants, not C4.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1692178/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_carbon_fixation
C4 plants are evidence of CO2 starvation before we increased CO2 levels.
There is plenty of evidence that life thrived during high CO2 levels. ...[text shortened]... st emitter in the world, but the corporate news media and the BBC will not tell you that, will they?
The rise of C4 plants (ie grasses) had little to do with CO2 levels. Vast grasslands are prairies were the result of a general drying trend which occurred concurrently with intermittent glaciation. I'm not sure if the theory is still in vogue, but Desmond Morris used to talk about a 'cool, dry earth' where the forests in Africa retreated, causing certain apes by adapt to standing upright to see further over the tall grass. Nice prose. Not sure he was right, though.
Decades of experimentation, trying to grow plants faster with CO2 have never shown much result - and that's simply because there is enough CO2 in the air for any plant to grow as fast as it pleases. The factors limiting plant growth (e.g. in my yard) are, in order of impact: water, shade, and browsing by critters (grrr!)
It makes sense that simply forcing more CO2 into a plant doesn't change anything because a) they also need sunlight and water to fix that carbon, and b) there is a limit to how fast plants *want* to grow. Too fast and they get floppy and fall over. There is actually a weed killer that works by forcing plants to grow too fast. Fast growing trees produce weak wood, etc. (an argument for slow, old growth forests - many barns in the early US were made from first growth trees and are incredibly tough!)
Bottom line: increasing CO2 conc. globally isn't going to affect plants very much. 😆
@spruce112358 saidStop lying!
Oooff. Ok, back up a few steps there, cowboy.
The rise of C4 plants (ie grasses) had little to do with CO2 levels. Vast grasslands are prairies were the result of a general drying trend which occurred concurrently with intermittent glaciation. I'm not sure if the theory is still in vogue, but Desmond Morris used to talk about a 'cool, dry earth' where the forests in A ...[text shortened]... bly tough!)
Bottom line: increasing CO2 conc. globally isn't going to affect plants very much. 😆
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1692178/
So all of those indoor cannabis growers didn't get results? LOL!
I used to grow cannabis indoors back when it was illegal. I know you are lying again. Increased growth from CO2 is well documented science. Read the government link I posted instead of ignoring it this time.
You are making a fool out of yourself. You are a science denier.
@Metal-Brain saidI studied plant physiology for awhile. CO2 doesn't have much effect - a little, not that much.
Stop lying!
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1692178/
So all of those indoor cannabis growers didn't get results? LOL!
I used to grow cannabis indoors back when it was illegal. I know you are lying again. Increased growth from CO2 is well documented science. Read the government link I posted instead of ignoring it this time.
You are making a fool out of yourself. You are a science denier.
And I read 'The Naked Ape.'
Who would claim that, who had not?
{Get it? See if you can guess... 😆 }
@spruce112358 saidRead a science article instead of searching really hard for a confirmation bias.
I studied plant physiology for awhile. CO2 doesn't have much effect - a little, not that much.
And I read 'The Naked Ape.'
Who would claim that, who had not?
{Get it? See if you can guess... 😆 }
You can always find a lie if you look hard enough for it on the internet. Doesn't make it true.
@Metal-Brain said'You lie,' said @Metal-Brain.
Read a science article instead of searching really hard for a confirmation bias.
You can always find a lie if you look hard enough for it on the internet. Doesn't make it true.
'That word comes too oft and easy from your lips,' said @spruce112358. 'I do not lie...