@AverageJoe1 saidI think the big picture is that we're in an 'inter glacial' period, in a few tens or hundreds of thousand years' time the world will get colder again, which will bring its' own problems if Homo Sapiens still walk the earth. Meanwhile it's a good idea to reduce carbon emissions, and generally keep an eye on things. The rest we can't do very much about.
https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/05/antarctica-ice-sheet-grows-the-first-time/
The ice is not melting,,,,,,it is INCREASING. Does this herald an ice age? Have we wasted (notify Musk DOGE) our money on this Climate AOC thingy???
@Indonesia-Phil saidSo, how much of our 2025 revenue should we use up in the face of something that is moving at a pace over tens of thousands of years? I'd say, what , $55,000.? That'd be Ok.
I think the big picture is that we're in an 'inter glacial' period, in a few tens or hundreds of thousand years' time the world will get colder again, which will bring its' own problems if Homo Sapiens still walk the earth. Meanwhile it's a good idea to reduce carbon emissions, and generally keep an eye on things. The rest we can't do very much about.
@AverageJoe1 saidHave you noticed that as the climate warmed over the 20th century, we got more liberal progressives, more woke trans, and more government spending?
So, how much of our 2025 revenue should we use up in the face of something that is moving at a pace over tens of thousands of years? I'd say, what , $55,000.? That'd be Ok.
NOW how much would you pay?!?!? 😆
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@spruce112358 saidBut I’m saying that as temp cools, we won’t need money to cool it anymore. So wouldn’t the climate lunatics get out of the street and go make themselves useful? Or do you think they will think that they would figure more money available for their frolic and recreational sex?
Have you noticed that as the climate warmed over the 20th century, we got more liberal progressives, more woke trans, and more government spending?
NOW how much would you pay?!?!? 😆
Hey did you see where Pelosi said “ We have to let the public ,,,the PUBLIC know what is in their interest”. . Is that tyranny? I’ll run it by SHouse. Her exact words, saw it.
Marauder refers to us all as The People.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou do know it's heading toward winter in the southern hemisphere, yeah?
https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/05/antarctica-ice-sheet-grows-the-first-time/
The ice is not melting,,,,,,it is INCREASING. Does this herald an ice age? Have we wasted (notify Musk DOGE) our money on this Climate AOC thingy???
@AverageJoe1 saidThe founding fathers had great respect for The People, always expecting them to do the right thing for the country.
But I’m saying that as temp cools, we won’t need money to cool it anymore. So wouldn’t the climate lunatics get out of the street and go make themselves useful? Or do you think they will think that they would figure more money available for their frolic and recreational sex?
Hey did you see where Pelosi said “ We have to let the public ,,,the PUBLIC know what is in their ...[text shortened]... yranny? I’ll run it by SHouse. Her exact words, saw it.
Marauder refers to us all as The People.
Too bad you fools have all run so far afield.
@Suzianne saidThere are two theories. One is that rational humans can come together and make mutually beneficial decisions.
The founding fathers had great respect for The People, always expecting them to do the right thing for the country.
Too bad you fools have all run so far afield.
The other is that these MF's are too stupid to run their own affairs and need top-down control.
I used to be very passionate about the first, but these days ... 😆
@spruce112358 saidI hope you at least believe in self-reliance?? And of course, indeed society can come together on occasion and have a 'barn raising', the concept of all neighbors coming together to build Farmer Jones' barn. The thing to do, all the trappings of helping neighbors, mutually benefitting from the help of each other.
There are two theories. One is that rational humans can come together and make mutually beneficial decisions.
The other is that these MF's are too stupid to run their own affairs and need top-down control.
I used to be very passionate about the first, but these days ... 😆
Such processes can co-exist witih self reliance. With capitalism.
@AverageJoe1 saidFrom the article:
https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/05/antarctica-ice-sheet-grows-the-first-time/
The ice is not melting,,,,,,it is INCREASING. Does this herald an ice age? Have we wasted (notify Musk DOGE) our money on this Climate AOC thingy???
For the first time in decades, Antarctica’s ice sheet has shown unexpected growth, defying long-standing trends of rapid ice loss.
In fact climate and weather are very complex things. The scale of oversimplifictaion in "global warming" means that all temperatures at each point raise is hardly to gasp.
The authors do tell that more precipitation (due to higher temperatures) will lead to some ice growth, while the findamental trend is unbroken.
So what exactly is your point? "There is no global warming as long as there is ice"?
@Indonesia-Phil saidYay! I get to post my climate assessment again!
I think the big picture is that we're in an 'inter glacial' period, in a few tens or hundreds of thousand years' time the world will get colder again, which will bring its' own problems if Homo Sapiens still walk the earth. Meanwhile it's a good idea to reduce carbon emissions, and generally keep an eye on things. The rest we can't do very much about.
#1: CO2 Does Not Drive All Climate Change
Warm and cold periods on Earth have alternated every 100k years for the last ~800k years at least.
This happens due to the Milankovitch cycle - earth's angle to the sun in a complex procession. Ice cores show that CO2 and temperature move together, but at most, CO2 may have acted as a feedback amplifier. CO2 did not CAUSE any of these swings - changes in earth's albedo did that.
The data show shorter 'heating up' periods alternating with gradual cooling. These are long, slow swings - but the effects are big. 11 to 12 C changes result in massive ice sheets covering the Northern hemisphere.
#2 It Should Be Colder Right Now
Focus on the last 20k years. We have been in a warming trend. Wooly mammoths and rhinos have gone extinct and the vast ice sheets have melted, leaving our present polar caps.
The current cycle peaked about 10k years ago. We *should* already have been getting cooler since then. But between 5-10k years ago, the 'normal' cooling paused. The Milankovitch cycle comes from earth's rotation - nothing can stop it. So what accounts for this discrepancy?
(NB. The blip around 14k years was the 'Younger Dryas' possibly caused by interruption of the North Atlantic "conveyor" due to the breakup of freshwater Lake Agassiz. In Greenland, the effect of the Younger Dryas was striking. The effect worldwide was not as large.)
#3 CO2 Has Been Rising Unusually for 6k Years
We can plot the Expected CO2 (based on previous glacial periods) vs Actual CO2 levels. Starting 6k years ago, a discrepancy appears. A discrepancy also appears with Expected vs Actual Methane levels.
#4 Temperatures Are Not Falling As Milankovtich Would Expect
Theoretically, we 'should' be in a mild glacial period right now. It should be getting colder and ice sheets should be increasing. Instead, they are melting.
#5 So Why Did This Happen?
Current best explanation: humans. Deforestation, burning, and farming got going ~9k years ago. Our population began to expand. Did we, without meaning to, prevent the latest glaciation?
From the Last Glacial Maximum (21k years ago) until now, temperatures have increased 9.5 C and sea levels rose 120m.
If it was getting colder, ice packs would be increasing and sea levels would be going down.
Stopping an ice age so New York would not disappear under a mile high sheet of ice is NOT why humans started farming. And we aren't just farmers any more. There are a LOT more of us now. Our CO2 emissions are staggering.
If CO2 'feedback amplification' from deforestation and human activity is so powerful it stopped glaciation, then what will the last 100 years do, with our CO2 going off the charts?
#6 What's Next? Will I Be Submerged? There Is An App For That
If instead the rest of the ice caps melt, sea levels would rise by another 70m.
Look up your elevation (iPhone: Compass App). If the ice caps melt and your elevation reads 230 ft or less, the property where you are will one day be submerged.
On the other hand, some arctic regions will become habitable. We will lose penguins and polar bears, though.
Bottom Line: Earth is likely to become warmer and wetter. But no, we are not all going to die.
@Ponderable saidAll of the publications that I have seen have shown $300B for startere and then going up to about $50T.....to hold fast a few degrees different than now. How about spending that money on preparoing to live in a climate a few degrees hotter.....in the year 3000?
From the article:For the first time in decades, Antarctica’s ice sheet has shown unexpected growth, defying long-standing trends of rapid ice loss.
In fact climate and weather are very complex things. The scale of oversimplifictaion in "global warming" means that all temperatures at each point raise is hardly to gasp.
The authors do tell that more ...[text shortened]... is unbroken.
So what exactly is your point? "There is no global warming as long as there is ice"?
Put me down as spendng all that money on charitable concerns and advancement of the masses? We could even afford free college and find some geniuses who llive in the ghettos that could go to college and amaze the world. We cannot afford free college now, unless we print money as the libs want to do, but of course they don't think that concept through.
@spruce112358 saidI hear ya, man.
There are two theories. One is that rational humans can come together and make mutually beneficial decisions.
The other is that these MF's are too stupid to run their own affairs and need top-down control.
I used to be very passionate about the first, but these days ... 😆
@AverageJoe1 saidF--- capitalism. Seriously.
I hope you at least believe in self-reliance?? And of course, indeed society can come together on occasion and have a 'barn raising', the concept of all neighbors coming together to build Farmer Jones' barn. The thing to do, all the trappings of helping neighbors, mutually benefitting from the help of each other.
Such processes can co-exist witih self reliance. With capitalism.
Greedy bastards.