03 Jan 21
AOC calls criticism of her failing to what she campaigned on "violence" . Yet another sell out in action .
She doesn't call criticisms she gets from the Right Wing violence .
She doesn't call public expressions of profanity at Trump violence .
Maybe she doesn't like being shown to be just another lying , manipulative politician .
72% of America supports Medicare for All , yet these so called "Progressives " do nothing .
The deadliest pandemic and a major economic disaster in progress and these so called "Progressives " still do nothing .
Success is not the issue here , speaking out and doing all they can is what is called for here . Even if you fail , you still must at least try .
03 Jan 21
@caissad4 saidIt does beg the question that if 72% of the electorate want Medicaid for all why are the party that is most likely to enact that bill is a minority in the senate and took a bit of a drubbing in the house even though they blitzed the POTUS race?
AOC calls criticism of her failing to what she campaigned on "violence" . Yet another sell out in action .
She doesn't call criticisms she gets from the Right Wing violence .
She doesn't call public expressions of profanity at Trump violence .
Maybe she doesn't like being shown to be just another lying , manipulative politician .
72% of America supports Medicare for A ...[text shortened]... and doing all they can is what is called for here . Even if you fail , you still must at least try .
Perhaps they think it’s a nice idea in theory but not so much as a political reality so they gave the democrats the White House but left the republicans guarding treasure chest.
I’ll never figure out why poor and middle income people don’t burn Washington down until they get universal health care free at the point of use but then people are odd at the best of times.
03 Jan 21
.Probably because they, or at leadt their representatives, know that it is not free, Kev. I would think you would have figured that out by now. If you wanna walk it be nice no no no you do what I say wrong you’re going to drink it
I’ll never figure out why poor and middle income people don’t burn Washington down until they get universal health care free at the point of use but then people are odd at the best of times.
And funny that libs never ever list ALL of the free stuff that the Dems are putting on the table! You forgot that in your post above And don’t leave out reparations for descendants of slaves. Several on this forum actually want money to be given out to them. Would that be before after or during paying for everyone’s medical expenses including people who are not citizens.
I will amend your post for you shortly, by listing all of these free things in a new thread.🤔🤔🤔$$$$. I will try to include appropriate emoji‘s, but I don’t see one for athe border.
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@averagejoe1 saidThat whole "free universal healthcare" slogan is only used when they are talking to the shmucks that vote for them. In practice the liberal elites use the term "universal healthcare" ( mysteriously dropping the "free" bit ) when talking amongst themselves.
Probably because they, or at leadt their representatives, know that it is not free, Kev. I would think you would have figured that out by now. If you wanna walk it be nice no no no you do what I say wrong you’re going to drink it
And funny that libs never ever list ALL of the free stuff that the Dems are putting on the table! You forgot that in your post above And d ...[text shortened]... ew thread.🤔🤔🤔$$$$. I will try to include appropriate emoji‘s, but I don’t see one for athe border.
Look, kev himself is a pro at "free dropping" himself in such a way that he can maintain he has not lied!
"Kev - universal health care free at the point of use"
We're dealing with an evil genius here...
03 Jan 21
@averagejoe1 saidLearn to read joe I said “free at the point of use” google it if you have to, it’s the way most of your roads and sewer systems are ‘free at the point of use’ and funded communally by taxes.
Probably because they, or at leadt their representatives, know that it is not free, Kev. I would think you would have figured that out by now. If you wanna walk it be nice no no no you do what I say wrong you’re going to drink it
And funny that libs never ever list ALL of the free stuff that the Dems are putting on the table! You forgot that in your post above And d ...[text shortened]... ew thread.🤔🤔🤔$$$$. I will try to include appropriate emoji‘s, but I don’t see one for athe border.
If you are claiming that universal healthcare is going to cost the average tax payer more in increased taxes than they will save in insurance premiums then you need go off to a quiet corner somewhere and crunch the numbers again.
Idiots have idiotic opinions Joe it’s a sad fact of life, just like people’s representatives lying to them as a matter of principle.
03 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidWell it’s a lot more enlightening than dealing with evil idiots.
That whole "free universal healthcare" slogan is only used when they are talking to the shmucks that vote for them. In practice the liberal elites use the term "universal healthcare" ( mysteriously dropping the "free" bit ) when talking amongst themselves.
Look, kev himself is a pro at "free dropping" himself in such a way that he can maintain he has not lied!
"Ke ...[text shortened]... sal health care free at the point of use"
We're dealing with an evil genius here...
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@kevcvs57 saidHelp me to understand. Who is pays the insurance premiums? Currently as far as I can see the employer and the employee share it if I'm not mistaken. Would you say that is correct?
Learn to read joe I said “free at the point of use” google it if you have to, it’s the way most of your roads and sewer systems are ‘free at the point of use’ and funded communally by taxes.
If you are claiming that universal healthcare is going to cost the average tax payer more in increased taxes than they will save in insurance premiums then you need go off to a quiet co ...[text shortened]... it’s a sad fact of life, just like people’s representatives lying to them as a matter of principle.
03 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidYes your correct an unnecessary burden on employees and employers. Why would the fabled land of the entrepreneur and enterprise burden it’s entrepreneur with something as unwieldy as health insurance premiums for their employees and why would an ideally footloose employee who can react to changes in the employment market wish to tie his and his families access to health to an employer who may or may not be employing him next week?
Help me to understand. Who is pays the insurance premiums? Currently as far as I can see the employer and the employee share it if I'm not mistaken. Would you say that is correct?
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@kevcvs57 saidOk, I suggest we stay off of side arguments for the time being and instead lets continue drill down to the core understanding of the system and see where any gaps in understanding may be for us.
Yes your correct an unnecessary burden on employees and employers. Why would the fabled land of the entrepreneur and enterprise burden it’s entrepreneur with something as unwieldy as health insurance premiums for their employees and why would an ideally footloose employee who can react to changes in the employment market wish to tie his and his families access to health to an employer who may or may not be employing him next week?
So you take the insurance premium ( which pays the, patients ) an you shift it to taxes ( manifesting itself as an increase to any entity that pays taxes )?
In the employer/employee relationship that previously existed how do you see that taxation being redistributed. Which entity will bear the lions are of the taxation?
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@joe-shmo saidAnother thing to consider is the insurance company pays the patients, but only on paper. The money passes right by them and pays the hospital which pays its staff. So the excess taxation is still born by the economic contributors to the system...ie the employed people, but they will be picking up the bill for the non-economic contributors to the system as well. That new portion was not paid by insurance premiums in our current system. Also, the healthcare staff ( effectively being paid by the insurance money ) must now increase under your universal system to meet the new demand..ie more taxation on economic contributors to cover the new expense of increased healthcare labor. Furthermore, the government MUST GROW administratively to provide this new service of acting as the primary health insurer. ie more taxation is pushed on the economic contributors for this governmental growth ( no representation without taxation!) . Finally, jobs are lost immediately in privatized health insurance insurance. Jobs must grow in healthcare will eventually offset, but grow at the rate they must be lost in the field of healthcare they cannot! If you think so, just take a janitor and slap a white coat on them...that is the quality of treatment you will be receiving in this new and wonderful system.
Ok, I suggest we stay off of side arguments for the time being and instead lets continue drill down to the core understanding of the system and see where any gaps in understanding may be for us.
So you take the insurance premium ( which pays the, patients ) an you shift it to taxes ( manifesting itself as an increase to any entity that pays taxes )?
In the employer/em ...[text shortened]... do you see that taxation being redistributed. Which entity will bear the lions are of the taxation?
I think I have adequately shown to blindly assume in this new proposed system that the taxation required will be anywhere close to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous.
03 Jan 21
@caissad4 said"AOC calls criticism of her failing to what she campaigned on "violence" . Yet another sell out in action ."
AOC calls criticism of her failing to what she campaigned on "violence" . Yet another sell out in action .
She doesn't call criticisms she gets from the Right Wing violence .
She doesn't call public expressions of profanity at Trump violence .
Maybe she doesn't like being shown to be just another lying , manipulative politician .
72% of America supports Medicare for A ...[text shortened]... and doing all they can is what is called for here . Even if you fail , you still must at least try .
Huh?
"She doesn't call criticisms she gets from the Right Wing violence .
She doesn't call public expressions of profanity at Trump violence .:"
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
Do you have maybe a tweet of hers that you object on, or?
"The deadliest pandemic and a major economic disaster in progress and these so called "Progressives " still do nothing ."
what do you mean they do nothing. What did you expect them to do that they didn't?
"Success is not the issue here , speaking out and doing all they can is what is called for here . Even if you fail , you still must at least try ."
they are trying. What are you talking about? look at their voting records. Look at what they are campaigning for. Look at what they managed to push forward with opposition from Schumer and Pelosi, not to mention opposition from republicans.
I am having trouble understanding how you figured they are doing nothing.
03 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidThis is among the best treatises I’ve read on this subject. Thankyou. Hopefully comments can at least stipulate to these facts. Big confusion ahead. Lord, imagine no more private insurance. The janitor in the white tunic. Waiting in line BEHIND an illegal for my 5-year physical.
Another thing to consider is the insurance company pays the patients, but only on paper. The money passes right by them and pays the hospital which pays its staff. So the excess taxation is still born by the economic contributors to the system...ie the employed people, but they will be picking up the bill for the non-economic contributors to the system as well. That new p ...[text shortened]... e to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous.
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03 Jan 21
@averagejoe1 saidWhen people say "it will be cheaper...free at the point of service so, go back and redo the math" then they don't bother to engage in "doing the math" even qualitatively to get a better understanding of the system they wish to fundamentally alter... its bothersome.
This is among the best treatises I’ve read on this subject. Thankyou. Hopefully comments can at least stipulate to these facts. Big confusion ahead. Lord, imagine no more private insurance. The janitor in the white tunic. Waiting in line BEHIND an illegal for my 5-year physical.
@averagejoe1 saidYup !! I see you're impressed. Dumb impressing Dumber !!
This is among the best treatises I’ve read on this subject. Thankyou. Hopefully comments can at least stipulate to these facts. Big confusion ahead. Lord, imagine no more private insurance. The janitor in the white tunic. Waiting in line BEHIND an illegal for my 5-year physical.
Time for another sequel.
Maybe Jim Carrey is available. He recently completed his run on SNL as Biden.
After all, it's easier to squeeze comedy out of stupidity. 😆
03 Jan 21
@joe-shmo said"I think I have adequately shown to blindly assume in this new proposed system that the taxation required will be anywhere close to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous."
Another thing to consider is the insurance company pays the patients, but only on paper. The money passes right by them and pays the hospital which pays its staff. So the excess taxation is still born by the economic contributors to the system...ie the employed people, but they will be picking up the bill for the non-economic contributors to the system as well. That new p ...[text shortened]... e to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous.
It's hilarious that you think an idiotic rant filled with conservative talking points not backed by any actual data is "adequately showing" anything but your ignorance.