Are we useful idiots?
People have been upset at the deaths of people; is this done only selectively? I ask whether getting upset means we are treating each death equally as bad? Renee Good and Alex Pretti were killed due to the events surrounding the immigration events. The thing is, so were the deaths of Victoria Harwell and Mafalda Thayer; the media outrage didn’t rise to the same level, and are their deaths equally worthy of grief and sorrow over?
If we are not looking at this correctly, our selective rage, I think, shows that we are being used to promote one side over another, to get us riled up and stop seeing each other as individuals worthy of our respect, above my emotional response.
Criminals murder people and each and every murder is a stain on society.
The difference in the deaths of Ms Thayer and Ms Good is that MS Thayer was killed by a henous criminal and Ms Good was killed by a person who (hopefully) has sworn to act in the welfare of people. Can you see that difference or is any ICE officer alike a criminal to you?
@fornichessate removed their quoted postThe Lady steered her acr away from the agent at very low speed in germany the policeman killing her would certainly been suspended and the motifs would ahve beeen explored before any memebre of the governament would have whitewashed the action.
And in germany you will never see a policeperson filming a situation win action using a private smartphone.
@fornichessate removed their quoted postSo you don't see the difference between a criminal and an ICE agent. Good to know.
@Ponderable saidYou need to be a bit more honest. The lady, Ms Good, was acceleerating from zero, and there is no way you can determine what speed she was going to be when she made contact with the officer.
The Lady steered her acr away from the agent at very low speed in germany the policeman killing her would certainly been suspended and the motifs would ahve beeen explored before any memebre of the governament would have whitewashed the action.
And in germany you will never see a policeperson filming a situation win action using a private smartphone.
Germany has about 25 deportations per 100,000 population. The US is about 3 to 4 times that. The reason is that the US has far more illegal border crossings than Germany, which prior administrations sat by and watched. This is now being fixed and it will take some years to settle down.
The medicine is never sweet so in the meantime, there is going to be upheaval, families broken up and even death. This cannot be avoided.
@Ponderable saidWhere did you get that ICE officers are sworn to do this?
sworn to act in the welfare of people.
@KellyJay saidThe 20th Century should have taught us that State sanctioned violence is a far more serious and deadly threat than the acts of individual criminals.
Are we useful idiots?
People have been upset at the deaths of people; is this done only selectively? I ask whether getting upset means we are treating each death equally as bad? Renee Good and Alex Pretti were killed due to the events surrounding the immigration events. The thing is, so were the deaths of Victoria Harwell and Mafalda Thayer; the media outrage didn’t ri ...[text shortened]... led up and stop seeing each other as individuals worthy of our respect, above my emotional response.
@no1marauder saidAgreed, and for two reasons: first, the damage states wreak is potentially much greater, and second, because legal recourse or redress is more difficult.
The 20th Century should have taught us that State sanctioned violence is a far more serious and deadly threat than the acts of individual criminals.
@no1marauder saidYet you want admit that the acts of mn politicians and some former democrat politicians have caused this violence.
The 20th Century should have taught us that State sanctioned violence is a far more serious and deadly threat than the acts of individual criminals.
This same violence is not occurring in cities/states where local authorities help uphold federal immigration laws.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNo, it hasn't; the killings were done by agents of the Federal government, not "Democratic politicians".
Yet you want admit that the acts of mn politicians and some former democrat politicians have caused this violence.
This same violence is not occurring in cities/states where local authorities help uphold federal immigration laws.
Wherever this administration has decided to introduce massive numbers of Federal paramilitary forces for largely.PR purposes, the People have resisted. Good for them.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidFunny, Trump said he and Governor Walz were "on a similar wavelength" during their "good call".https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-walz-wants-work-together-minneapolis-tensions-flare-after-federal-shooting
Yet you want admit that the acts of mn politicians and some former democrat politicians have caused this violence.
This same violence is not occurring in cities/states where local authorities help uphold federal immigration laws.
@no1marauder saidDemocrats inciting is why these people (organized military infrastructure) are on the streets.
No, it hasn't; the killings were done by agents of the Federal government, not "Democratic politicians".
Wherever this administration has decided to introduce massive numbers of Federal paramilitary forces for largely.PR purposes, the People have resisted. Good for them.
What do they have these people believing?
I keep thinking back to the Good partner after the shooting asking why they were using real bullets. Why would she/he say that?
And nah, this violence isn’t happening in states where the politicians aren’t inciting.