Originally posted by Zapp BranniganYes, that is what I want. And it's perfectly possible.
sheesh so you want what, essay questions that have to be subjectively scored by the millions?
My God you are the perfect example of what an education with no real world experience equals.
I've asked you several times but you refuse to answer, please i want to know:
Have you ever ...had...a....job?
And to answer your question: yes.
Originally posted by Zapp BranniganMultiple choice tests are a very poor way of assessing and evaluating teaching and learning. That is what people with real world experience think, I'd say. I wouldn't nail your underpants to this methodology merely because you are tripping over yourself trying to land blows on the same poster, as ever, Sam.
sheesh so you want what, essay questions that have to be subjectively scored by the millions?
My God you are the perfect example of what an education with no real world experience equals.
Originally posted by FMFWell hell if the multiple choice questions are so bad then why can't the kids pass them?
Multiple choice tests are a very poor way of assessing and evaluating teaching and learning. That is what people with real world experience think, I'd say. I wouldn't nail your underpants to this methodology merely because you are tripping over yourself trying to land blows on the same poster, as ever, Sam.
The real thing going on here is that the Atlanta students can't pass these simple tests for a reason but the media doesn't want to say why.
If you've been to Atlanta you'd know.
Originally posted by Zapp BranniganThat's beside the point that I was making. Multiple choice tests can be easy and they can be difficult. The point is that they are poor way of assessing and evaluating education. You don't seem to realize this, while KazetNagorra does.
Well hell if the multiple choice questions are so bad then why can't the kids pass them?
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraIndeed.
So ban multiple choice tests in schools. They are a travesty anyway.
When I entered college we'd sometimes discuss our SAT scores. Those that scored very high on math (e.g. 750+ out of 800) routinely had trouble with simple college algebra. And those that scored poorly on the math (e.g. ~400) routinely aced advanced calculus.
I'm sure everyone's anecdotal experience matches this.
Originally posted by whodeyYou're criticizing the educational system and the "principles"?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-cheating-atlanta-teachers-scandal-could-have-far-reaching-effects-on-economy/
When we think of cheating in school, we think of students cheating. However, recently 178+ teachers and principles were caught smudging scores to reflect high marks for students. Such high scores would not only look good for the teachers a ...[text shortened]... an, 178+ teachers and principles? this had to be going on for some time before they got caught.
Irony much?
Originally posted by FMFSo what have we learned so far? Is it....
[b]Multiple choice tests are a very poor way of assessing and evaluating teaching and learning.
a) Teachers cannot be trusted to administer tests that may reflect their poor job performance.
b) Teachers should not be evaluated based upon test results. Just be happy if they graduate and leave well enough alone.
c) If it were not for multlipe choice tests our problems would vanish into a blissful utopia.
Originally posted by whodeyI don't see how your post is in response to mine. Why did you quote & reply to me?
So what have we learned so far? Is it....
a) Teachers cannot be trusted to administer tests that may reflect their poor job performance.
b) Teachers should not be evaluated based upon test results. Just be happy if they graduate and leave well enough alone.
c) If it were not for multlipe choice tests our problems would vanish into a blissful utopia.
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Originally posted by whodeyThrow teachers and educational managers in gaol if they played a coordinating role in falsifying stats with legal standing. If they were apparently subordinates who might have felt coerced in some way, be it subtle or blatant, bar them from teaching for life and slap a few hundred hours community service on them. Stiff fines for any parents who can be shown to have been in on the conspiracy.
In other words, what is your solution?
Originally posted by Zapp BranniganFive years in an inner city state school in London.
We have such high minded individuals giving their recommendations on this thread I'd like to know how many of them ever spent time being a teacher and actually know what they're talking about?
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We do have people here who have teaching experience -- I spent seven years inner city New York City.
I have no problem with punishing those who did wrong and I would be reluctant to find that people who falsified result felt coerced and should merely get a slap on the wrist.
However, I think the more important issue is to ask why are people who, previous to this incident, never committed a crime falsifying results? It seems to me that as long as teachers are asked to do the impossible (get results their students cannot attain) or lose their job (which is essentially what happens when your school is shut down) that people will be tempted to be dishonest. I do believe as a society we want teachers so we should try to create a system where we have achievable goals and teachers that can help students achieve them.