15 Dec 11
Originally posted by moon1969What a stupid cartoon.
A political cartoon from the Houston Chronicle.
http://blog.chron.com/nickanderson/2011/12/bad-santa/
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Half the people in the US don't pay income tax as it is and a payroll tax break, if anything, hurts most the SS trust fund and Medicare.
Moreover, no serious proposal out there is advocating further tax cuts for the rich as this time. So the timing of the proposal is just plain odd.
15 Dec 11
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Originally posted by sh76Looks like Congress is brokering a deal to extend the payroll tax break. Likely done deal.
What a stupid cartoon.
Half the people in the US don't pay income tax as it is and a payroll tax break, if anything, hurts most the SS trust fund and Medicare.
Moreover, no serious proposal out there is advocating further tax cuts for the rich as this time. So the timing of the proposal is just plain odd.
Also, it is always on the table as to whether to maintain the Bush "temporary" tax cuts on the top 1%.
Negotiations are happening now in an effort to avoid the automatic reduction in expenditures in 2013. Pubs don't like the $600 billion being cut from defense. But any deal must increase revenue or the President will veto it. So, yes, tax cuts for the wealthy are in play.
The Republicans are advocating further tax cuts for the rich at this time by advocating to renew the "temporary" tax cuts on the top 1% which will expire unless actively renewed, while at the same time fighting against the payroll tax break for the working middle class. Continued class warfare by the Republicans against the working middle class, and a continued imposition of a transfer of wealth from the working middle class to the top 1%.
The tax rate on the top 1% is at an all-time low. Where are the jobs. The rich hoard the cash and/or buy luxury retail items domestically and overseas. Not many job creators. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Crumbs don't even make it.
15 Dec 11
Originally posted by sh76The thing is that it is the most common belief that the wealthy don't pay taxes. When marginal rates were much higher, that was partly true. There were many shelters and loopholes. While a few may still exist, it's nowhere near what it used to be, and one can easily verify who pays taxes and who doesn't.
What a stupid cartoon.
Half the people in the US don't pay income tax as it is and a payroll tax break, if anything, hurts most the SS trust fund and Medicare.
Moreover, no serious proposal out there is advocating further tax cuts for the rich as this time. So the timing of the proposal is just plain odd.
My personal cynicism tells me that weakening the SS trust fund is intentional, and is a prelude to eliminating it, and reconstituting Social Security as a federal welfare system under the general fund budget.
15 Dec 11
Originally posted by moon1969I thought the Dems had already caved on a surcharge for the wealthy to pay for extension of the payroll tax cut.
Looks like Congress is brokering a deal to extend the payroll tax break. Likely done deal.
Also, it is always on the table as to whether to maintain the Bush "temporary" tax cuts on the top 1%.
Negotiations are happening now in an effort to avoid the automatic reduction in expenditures in 2013. Pubs don't like the $600 billion being cut from def ...[text shortened]... Not many job creators. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Crumbs don't even make it.
15 Dec 11
A Democratic source told CNN on Wednesday that Senate Democrats now plan to drop the so-called "millionaires tax" and will offer a new proposal instead.
No further details were immediately available on the new proposal, first reported by CNN, which emerged from a White House meeting between Senate Democratic leaders and Obama on Wednesday afternoon, the source said.
Obama for months has argued that the wealthy should pay what he terms their fair share of taxes.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, shrugged off the concession on Thursday, saying there would be further opportunities to balance the tax burden.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/15/politics/congress-payroll-tax-cut/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3
The white flag is hoisted again by the Dems even though their proposal has overwhelming public support.
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16 Dec 11
Originally posted by sh76Oh, you mean that there hasn't been a White House who would just cave to the threats? Unfortunately, Obama did just that last year.
The White House doesn't have to threaten a shut down. All it has to do is threaten to veto appropriations that would avert a shut down and that is the exact same thing.
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16 Dec 11
Originally posted by no1marauderCase in point.
A Democratic source told CNN on Wednesday that Senate Democrats now plan to drop the so-called "millionaires tax" and will offer a new proposal instead.
No further details were immediately available on the new proposal, first reported by CNN, which emerged from a White House meeting between Senate Democratic leaders and Obama on Wednesday afternoon, t ...[text shortened]... flag is hoisted again by the Dems even though their proposal has overwhelming public support.
16 Dec 11
Originally posted by KunsooYou're missing the point. When there's a government shutdown, it happens because the two sides couldn't come to an agreement. The proposal you don't like will always be the threat and the proposal you do like will always be the refusal to cave to said threat. But there's nothing inherent about a shutdown that makes it the fault of either side.
Oh, you mean that there hasn't been a White House who would just cave to the threats? Unfortunately, Obama did just that last year.
18 Dec 11
Originally posted by normbenignNo, it is more sinister than that. Totally eliminating SS as a federal project and privatizing it. Yeah, sure, THAT will certainly solve all the problems. Like making the SS system go bankrupt within 20 years. Yeah, that's the ticket.
The thing is that it is the most common belief that the wealthy don't pay taxes. When marginal rates were much higher, that was partly true. There were many shelters and loopholes. While a few may still exist, it's nowhere near what it used to be, and one can easily verify who pays taxes and who doesn't.
My personal cynicism tells me that weakening ...[text shortened]... and reconstituting Social Security as a federal welfare system under the general fund budget.
To me this is abrogation of responsibility. Republicans would love nothing better than to have no federal budget but still have federal taxes coming in so they can keep their rich patrons even richer while the average Joe gets further and further behind.
Don't think that was in the minds of the developers of the constitution.
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Rove thinks that the Republicans messed up, and basically says that they should just cave and attack the President when his back is turned.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/karl-rove-says-house-gop-should-throw-in-the-towel-on-payroll-tax-video.php?ref=fpa