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@KellyJay
Right, ban abortion for any reason, does the phrase DEAD WOMEN come to mind?
Ban gun sales. Like that would ever happen.
How about just ban ASSAULT rifles. NOBODY needs AR15's to defend their homes.
The ONLY ones wanting them are mainly gangs and cartel soldiers and the odd sportsman who would follow the rules and not fire into crowded malls or schools and then what about simple running the age of ownership to 21? Something sinister in that?
@KellyJay saidUnwanted children.
What would happen next if all abortions were banned by law?
This can result in increased poverty rates when parents who can't afford children are forced to raise them. That in turn can result in increased crimes rates because poor neighborhoods tend to have the most crime. Domestic abuse rates would likely increase in houses where parents were forced to have children.
This in turn can lead to a rise in mental health problem, both in children raised by parents who weren't prepared to raise them, or the parents themselves forced to deal with the stress, pressures and financial costs of raising children.
Some parents may have to give up pursuing their careers or give up going to college in order to raise children. Unwanted children may cause stress in a parent's relationships, lead to divorce or make it more difficult to find a new partner.
Of course, there is also the danger of back-alley abortions increasing. This can lead to serious health problems or death. This can also happen in women who have medical need for abortion, where pregnancy or childbirth puts the mother's life in danger.
Taxpayers are also affected, having to fund foster care or orphanages resulting from unwanted children (or children whose mother died during childbirth). Taxpayers would also have the increased cost from rising crime rates, medical and mental healthcare, etc.
The list goes on.
@KellyJay saidThis depends on whether you mean literally all guns (including law enforcement) or just ban private citizens from holding them. Banning cops from having guns may not be a good idea.
What would happen next if all guns were banned by law?
But if you mean just citizens, not much would immediately change. There are so many guns in the U.S. it may take a generation or two before results are noticeable. But the more time that passes, the lower the number of murders, mass shootings, suicides and overall crime would be. Japan is a good example of lower crime rates resulting from strict gun laws.
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@vivify saidA lot of those things are true even with abortions legal are they not, you are just concerned about levels. Human activity would be affected by the new normal wouldn't it, things that people want to avoid that abortion solve would have to be to think through consequences without abortion to fall back on.
Unwanted children.
This can result in increased poverty rates when parents who can't afford children are forced to raise them. That in turn can result in increased crimes rates because poor neighborhoods tend to have the most crime. Domestic abuse rates would likely increase in houses where parents were forced to have children.
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The list goes on.
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@vivify saidGood point, guns for law enforcement, abortions to save the life of the mother.
This depends on whether you mean literally all guns (including law enforcement) or just ban private citizens from holding them. Banning cops from having guns may not be a good idea.
But if you mean just citizens, not much would immediately change. There are so many guns in the U.S. it may take a generation or two before results are noticeable. But the more time that p ...[text shortened]... verall crime would be. Japan is a good example of lower crime rates resulting from strict gun laws.
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@divegeester
I noticed K refuses to talk about Texas abortion laws or simply increasing the age of ownership to 21.
@vivify saidI agree with all these points.
Unwanted children.
This can result in increased poverty rates when parents who can't afford children are forced to raise them. That in turn can result in increased crimes rates because poor neighborhoods tend to have the most crime. Domestic abuse rates would likely increase in houses where parents were forced to have children.
This in turn can lead to a rise in me ...[text shortened]... the increased cost from rising crime rates, medical and mental healthcare, etc.
The list goes on.
Plus, I was dismayed to see the Supreme Court, as head of our legal system that values precedent, throw out FIFTY years of precedent on this issue. One might have thought that after having this right for 50 years, we could be comfortable in knowing this right wouldn't be taken away. But no... taking it away only affects women, yet adversely affects society as a whole. It's as if we could throw out a woman's right to vote after having it for way more than 50 years.
I've never known a USA without legal access to abortion. I was born three years after Roe v. Wade. It was a huge step forward for women. And now we've been forced to take a giant step back, leading to all the things you mention. These things are BAD for women. Not so much for men. Yet men, mainly old, white men, are the main players in this quest to roll back women's rights.
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@KellyJay saidIn Western Europe this is a non-question.
What would happen next if all abortions were banned by law?
What would happen next if all guns were banned by law?
Abortions are legal. Guns are illegal.
And, generally speaking, the arrangements are to everyone’s liking.
Except in Poland. But they’re mentally handicapped or something.
They are two completely different issues:
One is about a woman’s right to do with her body as she pleases. And yes, while the fetus is still in her, it’s her body… no matter what religious weirdos murmur.
The other is about weapons. Lethal weapons which are used in combat situations. Why the hell should people be able to carry guns around on the street.
Go hunting or to target practice or something normal.
@shavixmir saidFor those who don't agree with you, are they all mentally handicapped or something? Difficult to see reasoning with you since you have low opinions of everyone not on the same page as you are.
In Western Europe this is a non-question.
Abortions are legal. Guns are illegal.
And, generally speaking, the arrangements are to everyone’s liking.
Except in Poland. But they’re mentally handicapped or something.
They are two completely different issues:
One is about a woman’s right to do with her body as she pleases. And yes, while the fetus is still in her, it’s ...[text shortened]... e be able to carry guns around on the street.
Go hunting or to target practice or something normal.
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@Suzianne saidIt's insane. America is like 3rd world country that bans women's rights and elects convicted criminals.
I agree with all these points.
Plus, I was dismayed to see the Supreme Court, as head of our legal system that values precedent, throw out FIFTY years of precedent on this issue. One might have thought that after having this right for 50 years, we could be comfortable in knowing this right wouldn't be taken away. But no... taking it away only affects women, yet adversel ...[text shortened]... en. Yet men, mainly old, white men, are the main players in this quest to roll back women's rights.
Justice Clarence Thomas wants gay marriage to be next.
@KellyJay saidOh, I have general low opinions of everyone.
For those who don't agree with you, are they all mentally handicapped or something? Difficult to see reasoning with you since you have low opinions of everyone not on the same page as you are.
But you have to admit that republicans do scrape the barrel of “human”.