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Too often, knee jerk political leaders advocate military action when diplomacy will accomplish more. Our Democratic Senator Patty Murray from my home state of Washington is Chairman of the Senate Veteran affairs committee. She has worked tirelessly to obtain funding for better healthcare, housing assistance, employment opportunities, and increased benefits for our veterans. Too often politicians catagorize veterans programs as an "entitlment" This is false! Our veterans have paid for these benefits with their labor, blood, limbs, and sometimes with their lives! This veterans day talk to a veteran, get to know them, make some time to be assistance to them if need be. It will be good for both of you, and will bridge a gap until our beloved politicians stop paying lip service to our veterans, and do more to help them.
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09 Nov 13
Originally posted by bill718There are plenty of Veterans right in this forum you can have conversations with.
Too often, knee jerk political leaders advocate military action when diplomacy will accomplish more. Our Democratic Senator Patty Murray from my home state of Washington is Chairman of the Senate Veteran affairs committee. She has worked tirelessly to obtain funding for better healthcare, housing assistance and increased benefits for our veterans. Too often ...[text shortened]... m/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151792989981275&set=pb.177486166274.-2207520000.1384017158.&type=3&theater
Instead, what I find here is mostly from left wing hacks is talk of being defeated in Nam which is untrue.
The great skidaddle (Korea) that no1marauder often likes to gloat about. Being a soldier is as easy as working at McDonalds.
They kill and rape civilians abroad. Yadda,yadda,yadda.
Now you want to talk about Veterans day with some sort of new found reverance ?
You're all a bunch of hypocrites as far as I am concerned.
09 Nov 13
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Originally posted by utherpendragonUther- You don't even know me, or most Liberals, so your statement is silly. I've lived in a military town for a long time, and can assure you my dealings with veterans is not a "new found reverance". You are so wrapped up in your hate, you can't see anything else. ðŸ˜
There are plenty of Veterans right in this forum you can have conversations with.
Instead, what I find here is mostly from left wing hacks is talk of being defeated in Nam which is untrue.
The great skidaddle (Korea) that no1marauder often likes to gloat about. Being a soldier is as easy as working at McDonalds.
They kill and rape civilians abroad ...[text shortened]... h some sort of new found reverance ?
You're all a bunch of hypocrites as far as I am concerned.
Originally posted by bill718Wrong. I have no hate whatsoever. I just call it the way I see it.
Uther- You don't even know me, or most Liberals, so your statement is silly. I've lived in a military town for a long time, and can assure you my dealings with veterans is not a "new found reverance". You are so wrapped up in your hate, you can't see anything else. ðŸ˜
And I know many libs.
And I am a Vet myself and I could care less if you live near Ft Lewis.
I do remember some very nasty post you have made to me over the years as well as pm's .
The Left has held our Vets in disdain for decades. Spit on us, called us baby killers,trampled the Flag. Now you are going to feign that you have some admiration for them ?
Have YOU served ? No.
Why not ?
09 Nov 13
Originally posted by utherpendragonI must disagree. I sense a lot of anger in you. I'm 58. Graduated from high school at the end of the viet nam era, was required to register for selective service, did so, was not called up, so I did not enlist. I hope this does not offend you. I would suggest military service does not automatically imply wisdom as you do. Stereotyping people as you do is counter productive, and too often wrong. I don't recall ever trampling on a flag, spitting on a veteran, calling anyone a baby killer, drawing a dime of welfare or any other public assistance, and neither have any of my Liberal friends.🙂
Wrong. I have no hate whatsoever. I just call it the way I see it.
And I know many libs.
And I am a Vet myself and I could care less if you live near Ft Lewis.
I do remember some very nasty post you have made to me over the years as well as pm's .
The Left has held our Vets in disdain for decades. Spit on us, called us baby killers,trampled the F ...[text shortened]... ou are going to feign that you have some admiration for them ?
Have YOU served ? No.
Why not ?
09 Nov 13
Originally posted by bill718... and neither have any of my Libertarian friends. 😉
I must disagree. I sense a lot of anger in you. I'm 58. Graduated from high school at the end of the viet nam era, was required to register for selective service, did so, was not called up, so I did not enlist. I hope this does not offend you. I would suggest military service does not automatically imply wisdom as you do. Stereotyping people as you do is cou ...[text shortened]... a dime of welfare or any other public assistance, and neither have any of my Liberal friends.🙂
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Originally posted by utherpendragonhttp://www.antiwar.com/orig/rothbard_on_war.html
... and neither have any of my Libertarian friends. 😉
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Q: The notion of collective security is something that many Americans today take for granted as desirable and essential.
A: Well I think the concept of collective security is (1) a disaster and (2) anti-libertarian. Viet Nam again brings this thing to the fore, in the sense of masking imperial interventionist policy on the part of the American government in the rhetoric of the cloak of righteousness and moralistic pieties.
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Such criticism does not imply disdain for soldiers or veterans by the right OR the left.
09 Nov 13
Originally posted by bill718Nice to year this from a liberal. And you're welcome.
Too often, knee jerk political leaders advocate military action when diplomacy will accomplish more. Our Democratic Senator Patty Murray from my home state of Washington is Chairman of the Senate Veteran affairs committee. She has worked tirelessly to obtain funding for better healthcare, housing assistance, employment opportunities, and increased benefits f ...[text shortened]... m/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151792989981275&set=pb.177486166274.-2207520000.1384017158.&type=3&theater
09 Nov 13
Originally posted by bill718Yes the politicians who use the vets as cannon fodder and hate to pay up. They had them boys out there breathing and ingesting depleated uranium when the army manuals clearly warn of exposure. Now it is time to give them medical treatment and the government drags its feet.
Too often, knee jerk political leaders advocate military action when diplomacy will accomplish more. Our Democratic Senator Patty Murray from my home state of Washington is Chairman of the Senate Veteran affairs committee. She has worked tirelessly to obtain funding for better healthcare, housing assistance, employment opportunities, and increased benefits f ...[text shortened]... m/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151792989981275&set=pb.177486166274.-2207520000.1384017158.&type=3&theater
09 Nov 13
Originally posted by utherpendragonSounds like these friends are mistaken about their Libertarianism, from js's contribution here.
... and neither have any of my Libertarian friends. 😉
I consider myself in agreement with many Libertarian principles, but cannot call myself a Libertarian as I'm not in complete agreement. Perhaps your friends are in the same boat? But then, I did vote for Ron Paul the last 2 elections. He and I grew up in the same neighborhood, and went to the same high school. But then, so did Dennis Miller!
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10 Nov 13
Originally posted by DanTriolaIt wouldn't surprise me if many people who we identify or who self-identify as liberal, conservative, progressive, libertarian, etc., are not aligned with the fully developed political philosophy, and don't even know what it is. They (we) may be fully versed on domestic fiscal policy, and not on domestic social policy or foreign policy, constitutional issues, etc.
Sounds like these friends are mistaken about their Libertarianism, from js's contribution here.
I consider myself in agreement with many Libertarian principles, but cannot call myself a Libertarian as I'm not in complete agreement. Perhaps your friends are in the same boat? But then, I did vote for Ron Paul the last 2 elections. He and I grew up in the same neighborhood, and went to the same high school. But then, so did Dennis Miller!
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by utherpendragonYeah, OK.
There are plenty of Veterans right in this forum you can have conversations with.
Instead, what I find here is mostly from left wing hacks is talk of being defeated in Nam which is untrue.
The great skidaddle (Korea) that no1marauder often likes to gloat about. Being a soldier is as easy as working at McDonalds.
They kill and rape civilians abroad ...[text shortened]... h some sort of new found reverance ?
You're all a bunch of hypocrites as far as I am concerned.
10 Nov 13
Originally posted by JS357Very true. Politics has always been about emotion, as politicians rely on it. They pick an emotional issue, and people who respond to that get behind them. But the issue, while convenient, may not jibe with the Party's ideology. No matter! If it works, it's good. Also, many people just feel better when they belong to a group, even if that group is not representing their best interests. Today, I see no clear ideological differences in the 2 major Parties. They both go where the money is. Back in the day, one did not need several million to run for office, and ideology mattered. Presidents wrote their own speeches, focus groups were unheard of, and pollsters did it as a hobby. And, TV made the image worth more than the quality of the person. When was the last time a weak-chinned balding man ran for President? Adlai Stevenson didn't, and that was in the early years of television. (Humphrey had a strong chin!)
It wouldn't surprise me if many people who we identify or who self-identify as liberal, conservative, progressive, libertarian, etc., are not aligned with the fully developed political philosophy, and don't even know what it is. They (we) may be fully versed on domestic fiscal policy, and not on domestic social policy or foreign policy, constitutional issues, etc.