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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Sep '15 20:00
    I'll do a copy and paste to start things off:

    SAN ANTONIO — The general who led the Army investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl"s disappearance from an Afghan combat outpost in 2009 testified Friday that Bergdahl walked away intentionally in hopes of triggering a search and rescue mission that would reveal "severe" leadership problems in his platoon.

    Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl testified on the second day of a pre-trial hearing to determine whether Bergdahl should be court-martialed on charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. If convicted, he faces a maximum life sentence.

    Bergdahl, now 29, of Hailey, Idaho, was captured by the Taliban five years ago and released in 2014 in a controversial prisoner exchange last year for five Taliban leaders being held by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Taliban leaders were released to the government of Qatar.

    Bergdahl, who chose not to testify at the hearing, has shown little emotion during two days of testimony. Dressed in a blue uniform and seated between his attorneys, he has appeared to be taking notes.

    Dahl, the investigating officer in the case, told a packed courtroom at Fort Sam Houston that his 22-person team interviewed 57 people in the case.

    The general said Bergdahl, the night he disappeared, planned to run from his post to Forward Operating Base Sharana. roughly 19 miles away. He expected to arrive after a search had been launched and thought this would create a “PR event” that might get a general to listen to him about his concerns.

    “Sergeant Bergdahl perceived there was a problem with the leadership in (his platoon) and the problem with that leadership was so severe that his platoon was in danger,” Dahl said. “So he wanted to create that event. He was going to run” to the other outpost.

    He said Bergdahl left that evening without a rifle because he wanted to be "light and lean." Instead, he was captured by the Taliban eight to 10 hours after he left leaving his outpost. Dahl said Berghdahl tried to escape his Taliban captives the first day, and got roughed up.

    Dahl described Bergdahl as a very good soldier who was motivated to deploy to Afghanistan and had a "kick down doors" mentality. He said Bergdahl was frustrated with the training he went through and thought it lacked ideal standards.

    “He felt it was his duty to intervene,” said Dahl, who added during his testimony that he does not think Bergdahl should go to prison.

    Eugene Fidell, Berghdahl's civilian lawyer, said his client declined to take the stand, believing that he had already conveyed what he knows about the case in a 371-page sworn statement.

    Greg Leatherman, the first defense witness and a former sergeant in Bergdahl's unit, testified he was a great soldier. "If we made a super squad from our command, Bergdahl is the first pick every time," Leatherman told the hearing.

    He also said Bergdahl wanted to take the fight to the enemy but wasn't adjusting well to their deployment. Leatherman said he suggested to higher-ups that Bergdahl speak to someone, such as a chaplain.

    Leatherman said he took his concerns to a first sergeant after a road patrol, but was told it was not his place to talk about what's wrong with soldiers in the company.

    Leatherman said the first sergeant told him: "Shut the (expletive) up." and "(Expletive) off."

    On the first day of the hearing Thursday, the prosecution said Bergdahl vanished after deserting his unit. “Under the cover of darkness, he snuck off the post,” Maj. Margaret Kurz said.

    Bergdahl's platoon leader, Capt. John Billings, testified that he was "in shock" when he couldn't find one of his own men that day in June 2009.

    His unit carried out an extensive search in the days after Bergdahl’s disappearance. Under cross-examination by Lt. Col. Franklin Rosenblatt, a defense attorney, Billings said no one from his platoon died during the search.

    Billings said he considered Bergdahl “a great soldier from all accounts” before his disappearance.

    Under questioning, Billings said he had no idea Bergdahl had been discharged earlier by the Coast Guard after a mental health evaluation. He said he didn’t know the Army had waived mental health requirements when Bergdahl enlisted and that the Army later concluded Bergdahl had a mental disease.

    Fidell, Bergdahl';s attorney, has urged the public not to draw a conclusion until hearing all the evidence. “People ought to keep an open mind,” he said in a recent interview.

    Bergdahl has said he tried to escape a dozen times and was regularly chained and beaten, according to a statement his attorney released this year.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/18/defense-witnesses-testify-bergdahl-hearing-taliban-desertion-court-martial/72391264/

    Lots to digest there. Thoughts?
  2. 18 Sep '15 20:35
    To be clear, this is a preliminary hearing.
    see link:
    NO IMMEDIATE DECISION
    After the testimony and evidence has been presented, the two sides will make their arguments about how they think the case should be resolved. Prosecutors could argue that it should go to a court-martial while defense attorneys could argue that the charges should be resolved by less severe means. The preliminary hearing officer will consider the evidence and lawyers' arguments and will recommend a course of action in a report that could take several weeks to complete.

    COMMANDING GENERAL
    The preliminary hearing officer's report will be forwarded to Gen. Robert Abrams, the commanding general of U.S. Army Forces Command in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Abrams will ultimately decide whether to send the case to a court-martial, which is the military equivalent of a civilian trial. Abrams might refer charges to a general court-martial, which is reserved for the most serious offenses, or to a special court-martial, which handles offenses that would be the equivalent of misdemeanors in civilian courts. He may also dismiss the charges or take some other action, including discharging him.

    http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2015/09/18/a-look-at-sgt-bowe-bergdahls-article-32-hearing-n2053959
  3. 18 Sep '15 20:38
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]To be clear, this is a preliminary hearing.
    see link:
    NO IMMEDIATE DECISION
    After the testimony and evidence has been presented, the two sides will make their arguments about how they think the case should be resolved. Prosecutors could argue that it should go to a court-martial while defense attorneys could argue that the charges should be ...[text shortened]... .com/news/politics-elections/2015/09/18/a-look-at-sgt-bowe-bergdahls-article-32-hearing-n2053959[/b]
    I don't understand what all the argument is about. His actions were in the military, not as a civilian.
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Sep '15 20:38
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]To be clear, this is a preliminary hearing.
    see link:
    NO IMMEDIATE DECISION
    After the testimony and evidence has been presented, the two sides will make their arguments about how they think the case should be resolved. Prosecutors could argue that it should go to a court-martial while defense attorneys could argue that the charges should be ...[text shortened]... .com/news/politics-elections/2015/09/18/a-look-at-sgt-bowe-bergdahls-article-32-hearing-n2053959[/b]
    Yes, it's a hearing like the title of the thread states.

    I think it's likely it goes to court marital though the misbehavior before the enemy charge might be dismissed (it's a rare charge to begin with).
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Sep '15 20:40
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I don't understand what all the argument is about. His actions were in the military, not as a civilian.
    The military has established procedures to adjudicate offenses under the UCMJ. Those are being followed.
  6. 18 Sep '15 20:41
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I don't understand what all the argument is about. His actions were in the military, not as a civilian.
    Obama is the one who politicized this. Remember the rose garden ?
  7. 18 Sep '15 20:45
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The military has established procedures to adjudicate offenses under the UCMJ. Those are being followed.
    Originally, wasn't he charged with desertion? That is usually pretty cut and dried. In Wartime, soldiers are executed in the field over that charge.
  8. 18 Sep '15 20:47
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Obama is the one who politicized this. Remember the rose garden ?
    No, I don't remember, and that's part of the plan, that everything fades in the public's perception. I'm betting that a lot of families that have sons and daughters that died in service in Afghanistan do remember.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Sep '15 20:49
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Originally, wasn't he charged with desertion? That is usually pretty cut and dried. In Wartime, soldiers are executed in the field over that charge.
    Are you really that ignorant?
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Sep '15 20:50
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Obama is the one who politicized this. Remember the rose garden ?
    You must be joking to claim that it isn't the right wing who politicized this whole affair.

    Obama had the Spurs to the Rose Garden, too; is that "politicizing" the NBA Championship?
  11. 18 Sep '15 21:12
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    You must be joking to claim that it isn't the right wing who politicized this whole affair.

    Obama had the Spurs to the Rose Garden, too; is that "politicizing" the NBA Championship?
    No I am not joking.

    President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, said on ABC that Bowe Bergdahl "served the United States with honor and distinction" and that "Sergeant Bergdahl wasn't simply a hostage; he was an American prisoner of war captured on the battlefield." -Susan Rice


    Above is the Obama regime bragging and high fiveing about the deal they had just struck.

    Here is a relative article from june 2, 2014
    When President Barack Obama announced that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl had been freed after five years of being held by the Taliban....

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/02/john-mccain/john-mccain-says-five-taliban-detainees-freed-bowe/
  12. 18 Sep '15 22:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Originally, wasn't he charged with desertion? That is usually pretty cut and dried. In Wartime, soldiers are executed in the field over that charge.
    But we all know it was not a war. War is when.......when.......when the US is attacking Germany and only Germany.
  13. 18 Sep '15 22:05
    Originally posted by whodey
    But we all know it was not a war. War is when.......when.......when the US is attacking Germany and only Germany.
    Ok, then if it isn't a war why are our kids still dying in Afghanistan?
  14. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    18 Sep '15 22:22
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I'll do a copy and paste to start things off:

    SAN ANTONIO — The general who led the Army investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl"s disappearance from an Afghan combat outpost in 2009 testified Friday that Bergdahl walked away intentionally in hopes of triggering a search and rescue mission that would reveal "severe" leadership problems in his platoon. ...[text shortened]... fy-bergdahl-hearing-taliban-desertion-court-martial/72391264/

    Lots to digest there. Thoughts?
    It appears that the prior known mental disease health situation of Bergdahl may be a big factor in reducing his punishment. However, even if that proves to be so, I believe Bergdahl should at least be medically discharged and reduced in rank to private. Anything less than that would not be justice.
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    18 Sep '15 22:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    But we all know it was not a war. War is when.......when.......when the US is attacking Germany and only Germany.
    What about attacking Vietnam, Japan, or North Korea?