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@no1marauder saidNow do you see my point over past posts that we can’t be like Norway?
What is "leaning too far" towards "socialism and communism"? Does present day China "lean" towards capitalism even though most of their economy consists of State owned enterprises? Was the Soviet Union/Russia more economically successful when it "leaned towards socialism and communism" or when it "leaned towards capitalism"?
There is no "fact" one way or the other; different countries have had and continue to have different experiences.
Guess I will keep chipping away.
Strange that you effort to equate USA with China and Russia when they are run by dictators for life.
The Usa is not. 🇺🇸
@averagejoe1 saidI was answering Rajk's post, not yours.
Now do you see my point over past posts that we can’t be like Norway?
Guess I will keep chipping away.
Strange that you effort to equate USA with China and Russia when they are run by dictators for life.
The Usa is not. 🇺🇸
But the US could be like Norway or anywhere else if we wanted to be. Why do you say we couldn't?
And please don't answer with a post suggesting that it's because we have too many people of the "wrong" color.
@no1marauder said333M vs 5.3M......the internet has many reasons, starting with the diff sizes.
I was answering Rajk's post, not yours.
But the US could be like Norway or anywhere else if we wanted to be. Why do you say we couldn't?
And please don't answer with a post suggesting that it's because we have too many people of the "wrong" color.
@averagejoe1 saidCould you explain why that makes any difference regarding the policies we are discussing?
333M vs 5.3M......the internet has many reasons, starting with the diff sizes.
@no1marauder saidCould be, but Cuba did something TO us, so we set an example, as well as let them suffer for it. Up until Biden, countries have known not to mess with our tremendous strength, and id say morality has nothing to do with it. One could almost say ‘It’s business”.
Well which is it; are you espousing a moral principle or not? Do we treat A country differently from Z for doing the same thing to its People? Or does it really have nothing to do with morals at all?
Not trading with countries that violate basic Natural Rights would be acceptable to me, but it would mean embargoing most of our Arab "allies" as well as Israel.
To be vlear, you mention countries doing something to their people, but issue is that Cuba nationalized our refineries, and has yet to let up. Its not about their people. We didnt embargo because they violated basic natural rights.
Its a tough world. You prob wrestle with Hiroshima, when i have no problem saying that they had it coming.
@averagejoe1 saidThey weren't "our" refineries; they were some rich people's refineries. And that happened 60 years ago. And no one ever uses it as an excuse for maintaining the embargo anymore.
Could be, but Cuba did something TO us, so we set an example, as well as let them suffer for it. Up until Biden, countries have known not to mess with our tremendous strength, and id say morality has nothing to do with it. One could almost say ‘It’s business”.
To be vlear, you mention countries doing something to their people, but issue is that Cuba nationalized our r ...[text shortened]... tough world. You prob wrestle with Hiroshima, when i have no problem saying that they had it coming.
Hiroshima was a war crime and should have been treated as such.
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@no1marauder saidWas Pearl a war crime? You messin' w me?
They weren't "our" refineries; they were some rich people's refineries. And that happened 60 years ago. And no one ever uses it as an excuse for maintaining the embargo anymore.
Hiroshima was a war crime and should have been treated as such.
Oh, I get it....a lib ploy,,,,We were not at 'war' with the japs, so it could not be regarded a war crime?
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@no1marauder saidThere are a hundred of these websites, I am just shooting you the first one I found, didn't even read it, they are all the same. Funny, a few paragraphs down it says we (dems, republican, BLM groups, AOC, squad, foreigners who ended up in congress, etc?) would have to get along!!!!! Yeah, that's gonna happen. 😛
I was answering Rajk's post, not yours.
But the US could be like Norway or anywhere else if we wanted to be. Why do you say we couldn't?
And please don't answer with a post suggesting that it's because we have too many people of the "wrong" color.
Here is the link. Just pretend I wrote it as my answer. And the “ we are all in this together“??? Ridiculous, that i might be “in this” with our brothers in Chicago? Is that optional Marauder, or would i have to be?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/01/why-united-states-cant-become-nordic-overnight/
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@averagejoe1 said'Cannot' is not the same thing as 'cannot overnight'.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/01/why-united-states-cant-become-nordic-overnight/
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@shallow-blue saidI picked that treatise randomly. You dont need me to find similar websites with same points of view, which websites do Not say ‘cannot overnight’.
'Cannot' is not the same thing as 'cannot overnight'.
But since it cannot be done quickly, then what is your point. Marauder and I would agree.... it cannot be done overnight, it would take years. So we better gat started if we want to live in brotherhood like the Norwegians. I think i will read that thing, to see what nirvana will unfold.
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@AverageJoe1 Please allow me to highlight a few things.......
1. Sounds like innovation would be killed. You know,, of course, that Americans are innovative, witness your computer. How would we communicate !!
2. Welfare state? Yeah, right.
3. New company startups just don't happen in Nordic countries. Speaking for myself, i live and breathe investing in company startups. Downer.
4. High taxation, and did I mention Welfare State?
5. One of those countries has no private schools or universities. Can you IMAGINE?? I would never send a child to a govt school. Dont tell me you would.
6. Does the State handle all of the needs of its citizens? That certainly does not cultivate a sense of responsibility, independence, motivation or gratitude.
7. All of those countries are high on the list of taking anti-depressant drugs! We are too busy in the USA for that foolishness.
8. If our government is going to take on the role in redistributing wealth (Brrr), Citizens must feel OK about putting their faith in the government. In the USA, we do not put that much trust in government. Do you expect that to change?? Do you want me to list all the promises that have never been delivered? I still fret that the care for VA is not funded adequately. Do you think we would start trusting the govt to control our lives? We would have to if you make us like Norway. Please don't.
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@no1marauder saidSeveral countries have tried socialist principles and they wilfully created enmity with the western countries. Apart from Cuba, there was Tanzania which under Julius Neyere expelled all foreign firms and took their assets. Venezuela did the same. Do you really think any right thinking govt will have dealings with them after that?
They weren't "our" refineries; they were some rich people's refineries. And that happened 60 years ago. And no one ever uses it as an excuse for maintaining the embargo anymore.
Hiroshima was a war crime and should have been treated as such.
@no1marauder saidFunny how usually the phrase 'rich people' is at the top of liberals' nomenclature . Anyway, we would have to be in the room to know the real reason for 60 years of Cuban embargo, must be a reason that we laymen don't know about. Couldn't say myself. But the reason it happened is a no-brainer.
They weren't "our" refineries; they were some rich people's refineries. And that happened 60 years ago. And no one ever uses it as an excuse for maintaining the embargo anymore.
Hiroshima was a war crime and should have been treated as such.
Give me a break......We can easily say the privately owned companies are our companies, when speaking of the USA as an entity. Silly.