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@metal-brain saidTrue. Putin does. And currently, in Russia, what Putin says, goes.
Russia doesn't want to attack Ukraine.
@metal-brain saidYeah, it’s probably best you don’t interpret anything I said.
Shav never prevailed. He didn't deny the Ukraine government had neo Nazis in power. He just argued it was not the whole government. That is all. The US clearly supports neo Nazis in the Ukraine government. McCain posed in a picture with one. McCain was a Nazi.
https://peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-ultra-rightists-given-major-cabinet-posts-in-government/
https://www.voltairenet.org/article182428.html
The Ukraine government is not fascist or neo-nazi. End of.
@metal-brain saidIt is clear that Ukraine wants no part of war, so, for Russia to get its way, they have to be
My country knows all about planning false flag operations. Operation Northwoods is proof of that.
https://www.newsandguts.com/biden-russia-planning-false-flag-operation-to-justify-invasion-of-ukraine/
But what if the country doing the false flag attack blames the other side for the false flag attack? Then when you search for false flag attack to find out who did it ...[text shortened]... e repetition. You must believe Russia is aggressive. More repetition please. I don't believe it yet.
the side that provokes the war, and they likely would want set up a FF attack to make it look good.
MY PREDICTION:
The Russian insurgents in Eastern Ukraine will either cause the Ukraine military to strike them
or they will *claim* that Ukraine struck them heavily, at which point the Russian military
will enter Ukraine under the guise of protecting the ethnic Russians being harshly mistreated.
WAR ON.
@shavixmir saidA fair assessment would be this:
Yeah, it’s probably best you don’t interpret anything I said.
The Ukraine government is not fascist or neo-nazi. End of.
The Ukraine government is not fascist or neo-nazi. However, groups that could be accurately called fascist or neo-nazi played an important part in the armed rebellion that overthrew Ukraine's elected President in 2014. In particular, these groups effectively vetoed the February 21, 2014 agreement between President Yanukovich and leaders of the three main opposition parties which would have led to early elections rather than an illegal impeachment. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/ukraine-president-says-deal-has-been-reached-opposition-bloodshed
It seems quite plausible that if the February 21st agreement had been honored, Russia wouldn't have engineered the takeover and annexation of the Crimea and/or militarily supported the pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass.
@metal-brain saidKeep on with the Russian apologism.
Russia doesn't want to attack Ukraine. Unfortunately the US wants to militarize the Ukraine like our government did in Turkey. Our government put nukes in Turkey which threatened the USSR. Since our gov put nukes in their back yard (so to speak) they did the same in Cuba. That resulted in an agreement to remove those nukes from both Cuba AND Turkey.
Retaliation from th ...[text shortened]... es. Biden is playing a dangerous game of brinkmanship. He is trying to corner the wolverine. STUPID!
There will be no nukes in the Ukraine. What's got Putin's undies in a bunch is the media claiming that the Ukraine could become a signatory to NATO. Missiles are not the issue and conflating this situation with the Cuban Missile Crisis is irresponsible.
I'll remind you that the right wanted unilateral sanctions now, including the pipeline. See Cruz's defeated bill.
US aggression? No. Biden just wants Russia to get out of the Ukraine's business. They are not a Russian state any more.
@earl-of-trumps saidThis is exactly why Biden has made US intelligence in the region more transparent, so the world can see exactly what is going on.
It is clear that Ukraine wants no part of war, so, for Russia to get its way, they have to be
the side that provokes the war, and they likely would want set up a FF attack to make it look good.
MY PREDICTION:
The Russian insurgents in Eastern Ukraine will either cause the Ukraine military to strike them
or they will *claim* that Ukraine struck them heavily, at wh ...[text shortened]... enter Ukraine under the guise of protecting the ethnic Russians being harshly mistreated.
WAR ON.
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@metal-brain saidMore pages from the Big Book of Republican Fairy Tales.
The USA has not just planned false flag operations......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
The USA has done FF operations. US imperialism started with one.
https://themillenniumreport.com/2018/04/remember-the-maine-the-first-false-flag-ship-attack-carried-out-by-the-us-government/
Not the events, but your spin on them.
@metal-brain saidPinhead.
"artillery rounds fired from inside Ukraine to the Russian separatists area in the east.
You just admitted Ukraine started it by firing on the Russians. If it is a FF op it is Ukraine doing it, not Russia. Do you even read what you write?
What are the Russians doing there in the first place?
@metal-brain saidAre you high?
Shav never prevailed. He didn't deny the Ukraine government had neo Nazis in power. He just argued it was not the whole government. That is all. The US clearly supports neo Nazis in the Ukraine government. McCain posed in a picture with one. McCain was a Nazi.
https://peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-ultra-rightists-given-major-cabinet-posts-in-government/
https://www.voltairenet.org/article182428.html
Seriously.
@jimm619 saidThe trump wing of the Republican Party is pro Putin just as they are pro Trump they just love a strong white nativist with fascistic tendencies and profound psychological problems. These guys are really relatable for them.
Why is it that some of you people
seem to be sympathetic to Putin?
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@shavixmir saidThis was forced by an occupying nation in order to bolster their power and influence. Do you really believe Russia is just trying to be a hero that cares about rights and freedoms?
Well, here you have it.
Two parts of Ukraine have declared independence. And Russia has troops at the border to stop Ukrain from trampling over their rights…
Or is that not the framing we seek?
It should be obvious to anyone what Russia is doing: first they annex pro-Russia Crimea, then support the break-way of two more Russian-backed Ukrainian territories. And that's after amassing 100,000 to prevent any other outcome, like Ukraine joining NATO.
Answer this simple question: what if the U.S. did it?
What if the U.S. annexed a nation's territory, then slowly took over more regions, threatening military action if the country it's occupying tried to join an anti-American alliance?
@vivify saidAnd for the record, I know the U.S. is infamous for annexing territories like Hawaii, Guam, etc. That's the point.
This was forced by an occupying nation in order to bolster their power and influence. Do you really believe Russia is just trying to be a hero that cares about rights and freedoms?
It should be obvious to anyone what Russia is doing: first they annex pro-Russia Crimea, then support the break-way of two more Russian-backed Ukrainian territories. And that's after amassing ...[text shortened]... , threatening military action if the country it's occupying tried to join an anti-American alliance?
@vivify saidDid Russia annex the Crimea before the Ukrainians violently overthrew their elected President because he was supposedly too "pro-Russian"?
This was forced by an occupying nation in order to bolster their power and influence. Do you really believe Russia is just trying to be a hero that cares about rights and freedoms?
It should be obvious to anyone what Russia is doing: first they annex pro-Russia Crimea, then support the break-way of two more Russian-backed Ukrainian territories. And that's after amassing ...[text shortened]... , threatening military action if the country it's occupying tried to join an anti-American alliance?
The tale you are telling is simplistic.