31 Mar 06
It's difficult for me to understand how Bush's policies are beneficial to the continued prosperity and security of the US. To me, skyrocketing debt, illegal wiretaps, manipulating intelligence to go to war, tax breaks for the wealthy, corporate welfare, expanding beaurocracy, erosion of civil rights (the list goes on and on and on...) are all bad things.
Are there any Bush supporters who can make a logical argument in favor of Bush's policies?
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by Darth SpongeI believe you. When you say that things are difficult for you to understand. That is just so sad. Sorry.
It's difficult for me to understand how Bush's policies are beneficial to the continued prosperity and security of the US. To me, skyrocketing debt, illegal wiretaps, manipulating intelligence to go to war, tax breaks for the wealthy, corporate welfare, expanding beaurocracy, erosion of civil rights (the list goes on and on and on...) are all bad thing ...[text shortened]...
Are there any Bush supporters who can make a logical argument in favor of Bush's policies?
I would explain it by saying you are either a liar or a fool. I would rather think that it relates to your problem understanding things, so I will not call you a liar.
As to making a logical argument in support of Bush's policies... why should I? You admit that you don't understand things easily. Wouldn't it be just a waste of your and my time? I thing so.
So instead I will just state MY policies and let you decide if I am right or wrong.
We are fighting a war that liberates approx. 50,000,000 people while killing mear 10's of thousands.
We are wiretapping international calls between terrorists. That is ok.
The debt is only 9 months of our GDP. It was 14.5 months during most of the seventies.
I am wealthy. I like tax breaks.
I am a capitalist. I hate commies.
Civil rights don't exist anywhere there is government. The "least" government then becomes the best government as far as "rights" of any kind are concerned.
The list goes on and on. Ain't it a bitch when others don't see things the same way you do? Oh well. You have as much right to be a perfect ass as I do.
If you are an american... enjoy it while you can. Some day it will all be lost and we will probably become euro drones with little teeny wallys.
If you are not an american... ask me if i give a rats ass about your opinions of Bush or anything else about MY country.
Mike
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI think it's revealing that you respond to a respectfully posed question with personal attacks. pretty typical of Bush supporters. feeling a bit defensive these days?
I believe you. When you say that things are difficult for you to understand. That is just so sad. Sorry.
I would explain it by saying you are either a liar or a fool. I would rather think that it relates to your problem understanding things, so I will not call you a liar.
As to making a logical argument in support of Bush's policies... why should ...[text shortened]... ive a rats ass about your opinions of Bush or anything else about MY country.
Mike
let me ask some questions to your points:
1. Was the liberation of Iraq the primary justification for war presented to Congress and the American people?
2. Are you sure they're only wiretapping terrorists? how do you know? how do they define "terrorist"?
3. The current GDP is 12,487,000,000,000.00
The national debt is 8,366,013,114,640.00
The debt works out to be about 66% of the GDP, not counting the interest. The current interest is 173,875,979,369.66, which is the third largest expense of the US Treasury. That is the amount of money leaving the US economy each year.
Could you please elucidate on how this debt is going to disappear in a matter of months?
4. cool. good for you. but how does cutting taxes AND increasing spending work out as a responsible fiscal policy?
5. I am also a capitalist. so what?
6. so the Bill of Rights in the Constitution is void?
thanks for sharing, Mike. I look forward to your response.
31 Mar 06
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Originally posted by Darth SpongeI think it's revealing that you respond to a respectfully posed question with personal attacks. pretty typical of Bush supporters. feeling a bit defensive these days?
let me ask some questions to your points:
1. Was the liberation of Iraq the primary justification for war presented to Congress and the American people?
2. Are you sure they're only wiretapping terrorists? how do you know? how do they define "terrorist"?
3. The current GDP is 12,487,000,000,000.00
The national debt is 8,366,01 ...[text shortened]... s in the Constitution is void?
thanks for sharing, Mike. I look forward to your response.
You attacked bush and all his followers. Who attacked whom? I don't do defense. I do offence. For example... "You are a prick." This is probably offensive to you, but it is just my opinion.
1. Was the liberation of Iraq the primary justification for war presented to Congress and the American people?
Duh? What difference does any "justification" make at this point? Both the senate and the congress voted BEFORE THE WAR -- a declaration of war. They had the same facts that I had. Both houses have voted 4 times since the war began to CONTINUE the war. The largest number of people to ever vote in a presidential election elected Bush. You really are clueless aren't you? That isn't an attack. Just an observation.
2. Are you sure they're only wiretapping terrorists? how do you know? how do they define "terrorist"?
I hope not. I would like to think that they are smart enough to listen to ALL communications into and out of the country. Duh. That is the definition of "foreign intelligence". In time of A LEGALLY VOTED WAR BY CONGRESS such as this war, I want them to intercept ALL communications, just as Roosevelt did.
3. The current GDP is 12,487,000,000,000.00
The national debt is 8,366,013,114,640.00
The debt works out to be about 66% of the GDP, not counting the interest. The current interest is 173,875,979,369.66, which is the third largest expense of the US Treasury. That is the amount of money leaving the US economy each year.
Could you please elucidate on how this debt is going to disappear in a matter of months?
Lol... Say what? Ok. I screwed up. We are not in debt 9 months of the yearly gdb. It is 7.99 months. Sorry. Thanks for your correction. We are a very rich and wealthy nation. Sorry again, but 8 months of debt is nothing. Absolutely nothing. If i take my taxes that I pay this year and divide it by the budget of the us and determine a multiplier to use against the TOTAL DEBT... then my share turns out to be about edit... ooops.. slipped a decimal lol - $228.80 not $22.88. god i hate math... And that is for me and my wife combined.
6. so the Bill of Rights in the Constitution is void?
Dead? Who killed these ammendments? I thought it required 2/3 of all the states to change ANY part of it. The constitution seems to be cruisin' along just fine. It depends on your point of view, and that is all i have to offer and all you have to offer. Our opinions.
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by Darth SpongeThat interest looks high. Assuming its correct, why are you saing thats the amount leaving the US economy every year ?
The debt works out to be about 66% of the GDP, not counting the interest. The current interest is 173,875,979,369.66, which is the third largest expense of the US Treasury. That is the amount of money leaving the US economy each year..
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by Rajk999because the debt is credited by foreign nations. That's the amount that will be divided up between Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, UK... and so on.
That interest looks high. Assuming its correct, why are you saing thats the amount leaving the US economy every year ?
but don't take my word for it:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWynice try. I'm a corporate finance auditor. any other personal attacks you'd like to use to avoid saying something intelligent?
Just a guess, but i'm thinkin' he has never purchased a bond in his life and has no clue what they are and how to get them.
lol
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by Darth SpongeIsn't that a good thing? I should think that as albert einstein said "globalization is the only way to destroy nationalism. We tend not to kill our customers and vendors." (paraphrasing)
because the debt is credited by foreign nations. That's the amount that will be divided up between Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, UK... and so on.
but don't take my word for it:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm
I think that it is a REALLY good thing to have others fortunes tied up in making sure that WE are a success. I worry about those who want to destroy us. Like you for instance.
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by Darth SpongeI wont even check that just yet. The national debt of ALL countries is a the amount owing by the govt to a combination of local and foreign investors. Most of it is Central Bank to Central Bank loans. Some of it is sale of bonds to local businiesses and individuals. In the US the debt is roughly 50-50 .. local-foreign.
because the debt is credited by foreign nations. That's the amount that will be divided up between Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, UK... and so on.
but don't take my word for it:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm