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You do realize that by decriminalization you lose your main statistical model so obviously it would look like a reduction in cases.
Canadian weed crimes are down too because we made weed legal. Drug use is still happening though.
Alcohol consumption became normal after prohibition. Now it's in almost every home.
I'm not against decriminalization I'm just saying people use statistical data to their advantage without the whole situation explained.
I hope that made sense because I am high as F.
@techsouth saidMaybe homelessness contributes to the addiction problem.
Has anyone found any connection between drug addiction and homelessness?
I'm just spit balling here. I have no idea if addiction could possibly contribute to the homelessness problem.
@booger saidI'm not sure what you're talking about. If you're saying Portugal's success may be a mirage because it's assessing drug use based on per capita drug convictions or something, you can be sure the experts who study these kinds of things are cleverer than that.
@Soothfast
You do realize that by decriminalization you lose your main statistical model so obviously it would look like a reduction in cases.
Canadian weed crimes are down too because we made weed legal. Drug use is still happening though.
Alcohol consumption became normal after prohibition. Now it's in almost every home.
I'm not against decriminalization I'm just s ...[text shortened]... r advantage without the whole situation explained.
I hope that made sense because I am high as F.
Polls of the general population are generally done to determine who is dosing with what, and how often. Also testing sewer water is commonly done to assess the prevalence of many common drugs.
@techsouth saidHave you no imagination whatsoever?
Has anyone found any connection between drug addiction and homelessness?
I'm just spit balling here. I have no idea if addiction could possibly contribute to the homelessness problem.
Of course drug addiction can contribute to homelessness and homelessness can contribute to drug addiction
There are functioning addicts just as there are functioning alcoholics but yes both can lead to homelessness.
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@athousandyoung saidYou got it exactly backwards, as usual.
Maybe homelessness contributes to the addiction problem.
It's addiction that causes homelessness.
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@athousandyoung saidSo it's our fault they're addicts because we don't provide them with free places to live.
Maybe homelessness contributes to the addiction problem.
At least we have a plan to fix things now.
@techsouth saidIt’s only your fault if you own investment properties. It used to be that ownership was based on homesteading - you lived there and protected and improved the land.
So it's our fault they're addicts because we don't provide them with free places to live.
At least we have a plan to fix things now.
Now ownership is based on who the government says the owner is, capitalists snapped up all the housing, deliberately driving prices sky high and this has caused homelessness.
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@athousandyoung saidI'm glad we cleared that up.
It’s only your fault if you own investment properties. It used to be that ownership was based on homesteading - you lived there and protected and improved the land.
Now ownership is based on who the government says the owner is, capitalists snapped up all the housing, deliberately driving prices sky high and this has caused homelessness.
One thing we can be certain of is that the addict is not at fault for their addiction.
All of us who are NOT addicted are to blame. And the sooner we all stop trying to hold addicts responsible for their behavior, the sooner they'll be able to break free.
Having spent a good deal of time trying to help addicts, one thing I can tell you is that they generally already know this. Ask many addicts who is at fault and he or she will list a whole lot of non-addicts. I have already been educated on how cruel non-addicts are to addicts.
If only we were humble enough to structure our society in the vision held by the segment of the population who are completely dysfunctional due to addiction all would be good.
Edit: I realize I don't own investment property so you have very magnanimously excluded me from culpability. But since I vote and support politicians who grant freedom for anyone with means to construct and/or own investment property, obviously I can't escape blame so easily. I need to accept responsibility for not opposing capitalism.
@techsouth saidI don’t think you understood my post. Not all of us are to blame. Capitalists are to blame for homelessness and this contributes to addiction.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
One thing we can be certain of is that the addict is not at fault for their addiction.
All of us who are NOT addicted are to blame. And the sooner we all stop trying to hold addicts responsible for their behavior, the sooner they'll be able to break free.
Having spent a good deal of time trying to help addicts, one thing I can tell yo ...[text shortened]... y the segment of the population who are completely dysfunctional due to addiction all would be good.
They’re the ones making the drugs anyway. Opioids were manufactured here in the USA and prescribed legally. This has caused lots of heroin addictions.
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@techsouth saidTo your edit:
I'm glad we cleared that up.
One thing we can be certain of is that the addict is not at fault for their addiction.
All of us who are NOT addicted are to blame. And the sooner we all stop trying to hold addicts responsible for their behavior, the sooner they'll be able to break free.
Having spent a good deal of time trying to help addicts, one thing I can tell yo ...[text shortened]... iously I can't escape blame so easily. I need to accept responsibility for not opposing capitalism.
Depends if you are in favor of low taxes on property owners and Reagan shutting down State housing and mental hospitals. If so you are contributing to the problem.
“Freedom” is a sneaky weasel word many on the right like to use but never want to define. It’s useful to keep in mind the Civil War was fought over the “freedom” of capitalists to own slaves without Federal government interference.
The "war on drugs" fails in at least four ways:
1) It does not address demand, only supply.
2) The reduction of supply owing to police drug busts only increases the street value of drugs, thereby motivating new suppliers to enter the market.
3) It motivates the manufacture of stronger, deadlier drugs, since they can be moved in smaller quantities and hence decreases the risk of being busted.
4) It destroys lives in two ways: First, it deters those with a self-destructive addiction from seeking treatment for fear of criminal prosecution; and second, those who take "soft" drugs like marijuana or magic mushrooms on occasion, who are by no means addicted and who are leading a perfectly happy life, find themselves chewed up and spit out by a bestial criminal justice system that sees to it that they are financially destroyed and no longer employable.
@athousandyoung saidLet me get this straight about who's to blame.
I don’t think you understood my post. Not all of us are to blame. Capitalists are to blame for homelessness and this contributes to addiction.
They’re the ones making the drugs anyway. Opioids were manufactured here in the USA and prescribed legally. This has caused lots of heroin addictions.
If a capitalist named "Roger Clayton" invents an opioid and markets it for medical purposes, then another capitalist, who is also a criminal "Rudolph Kimball" gains access to the formula and begins selling the substance on the street, then there is a third capitalist named "Reginald Eugene" who is an accountant, pays his taxes and lives in the suburbs.
Is it your contention that since Rudolph Kimball, Reginald Eugene, and Roger Clayton are all capitalists then they are all to blame for the opioid crisis that has resulted?
Does the same association work for all groups?
Lets say Roger Clayton is a socialist and as part of his job for the state he invents an opioid to be used for medical purposes, and in this hypothetical scenario Rudolph Kimball is also a socialist and also happens to be a criminal who learns the formula and begins producing the substance to sell on the street. And lets say Reginald Eugene is also a socialist who works as an accountant, pays his taxes, and lives in is government issued barracks. In that scenario, since they are all three socialists would they also all three share blame for the resulting opioid crisis?
Or how about another scenario. Since Joseph Stalin was a communist responsible for at least 20 million deaths, are all other communists responsible for those 20 million deaths?