@earl-of-trumps saidNo. The charge at issue stated:
Let me see...
So you fall asleep (pas out)...
And because you forgot to issue warnings to all about raping you, you're open game.
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I'm not sure this is making a whole lot of sense. 🤔 🤔
"A person who engages in sexual penetration with another person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if any of the following circumstances exists: . . .
(d) the actor knows or has reason to know that the complainant is mentally impaired, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless
The definition of "physically helpless" in Minnesota is:
""Physically helpless" means that a person is (a) asleep or not conscious, (b) unable to withhold consent or to withdraw consent because of a physical condition, or (c) unable to communicate nonconsent and the condition is known or reasonably should have been known to the actor."
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.341 sub. 9
The post that was quoted here has been removedYou want to get drunk, do it at home in privacy where you can't do any damage ... oops, but wait! Even at home a drunk can cause damage by beating their wife and kids! And if you are that beaten wife then yes, you should have every right to kill the drunk that's beating you. And if a drunk kills my child I will probably kill the drunk ... rights become irrelevant when laws of nature take over.
Now if you feel sorry for the innocent drunk that just killed, you can always turn your anger towards the liquor industry and blame them.
But if you are okay with a society addicted to alcohol, then live with the consequences and just put up with them.
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@zahlanzi saidYou are missing the point.
drinking is not illegal driving while drunk is and the punishment for that is not rape.
a girl drinking deserves to get home unraped and you're a garbage person for saying otherwise.
Legal or illegal is irrelevant -- if you hang out with drunks or get drunk you will probably suffer consequences, just like you will probably suffer consequences if you hang out with wild tigers. Human laws are no match for the laws of nature and laws of physics. Does a girl deserve to get home alive if she chooses to jump off a cliff knowing that gravity has been outlawed?
@bunnyknight saidThis is turning into a very interesting debate, with regards to alcohol.
You are missing the point.
Legal or illegal is irrelevant -- if you hang out with drunks or get drunk you will probably suffer consequences, just like you will probably suffer consequences if you hang out with wild tigers. Human laws are no match for the laws of nature and laws of physics. Does a girl deserve to get home alive if she chooses to jump off a cliff knowing that gravity has been outlawed?
There should be NO doubt that people behave quite differently when under the influence of alcohol, and it's generally bad.
@bunnyknight said😏 😏 wise.
You are missing the point.
Legal or illegal is irrelevant -- if you hang out with drunks or get drunk you will probably suffer consequences, just like you will probably suffer consequences if you hang out with wild tigers. Human laws are no match for the laws of nature and laws of physics. Does a girl deserve to get home alive if she chooses to jump off a cliff knowing that gravity has been outlawed?
@chaney3 saidI remember years ago, a gal from my area, Boston, and then living in New York City, was picked up at a bar at closing hour.
This is turning into a very interesting debate, with regards to alcohol.
There should be NO doubt that people behave quite differently when under the influence of alcohol, and it's generally bad.
She was then raped and murdered. And people spoke a lot about how irresponsible
it was of her to accept a ride from a stranger at 2 am, at a barroom, in a drunken condition.
And NOW really raised all hell about blaming the victim, It was a S___ show, to say the least.
@earl-of-trumps saidAny reasonable person would be appalled at such an "argument".
I remember years ago, a gal from my area, Boston, and then living in New York City, was picked up at a bar at closing hour.
She was then raped and murdered. And people spoke a lot about how irresponsible
it was of her to accept a ride from a stranger at 2 am, at a barroom, in a drunken condition.
And NOW really raised all hell about blaming the victim, It was a S___ show, to say the least.
@bunnyknight saidIt is definitely true that alcoholism and even just getting drunk leads to all manner of chaos and heartbreak.
I've seen a girl die instantly as she drove home drunk from a dance club, her car scattered across 200 yards of the highway. Years later my friends granddaughter and all her friends got killed by a drunk driver. I've also seen normal people act like very stupid and dangerous donkeyholes when drunk.
So in my opinion anyone who chooses to drink alcohol -- all bets are ...[text shortened]... ghts. Zero. And big warning labels should state that if you drink you'll either kill or be killed.
Substance abuse is a very serious issue that the world does not take seriously enough.
The post that was quoted here has been removedHah, now that's a good question!
By my own observations at least 90% of Americans are addicted to alcohol. And if you know anything about addiction it's that a person will do ANYTHING to maintain and justify it, no matter how horrid the consequences -- and the massive alcohol industry is more than happy to provide. Have you noticed how in nearly every movie or tv show alcohol is being promoted in ways that are quite ingenious? I've even seen children's films promote alcohol over healthy drinks, but in very subtle and clever ways. They know that the best way to hook them is to hook them young.
@bunnyknight -
By my own observations at least 90% of Americans are addicted to alcohol.
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